Is there any software for Invoice and billing?

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Posted by jolly, 09-08-2001, 03:59 AM
Is there any solution for billing and invoice like http://www.ensim.com/solutions/rbm_tour_0.shtml ??????
Posted by RunOfTheMill, 09-08-2001, 04:01 AM
You sure ask alot of questions dont you Jolly. lol. But thats Good. Theres Ubersmith. See link on bottom of forum pages. or the new ModernBill. (www.modernbill.com) Ubersmith i think blows away ModernBill in terms of overall quality and features. ModernBill, is WAY cheap though. The one time fee, i think, is half as big as ubermisths monthly fee.
Posted by jolly, 09-08-2001, 04:06 AM
More you ask more you learn. More you learn the less you from before Hey its paid I guess is there any freeware too. It really hurts when you have to pay for everything why do company charges Do you use any software for billing and Invoice.
Posted by RunOfTheMill, 09-08-2001, 04:10 AM
try hotscripts.com if you dont want to wait for somebody smarter than me to come along and point you in the right direction
Posted by akashik, 09-08-2001, 10:12 AM
Well me guess would be to pay their bills and make a living? Freeware and Open Source is all fine and good, but I'm sure a few of these programmers like to think that if they spends weeks and months on programming something, it might just put some food on their table once in a while. I've used free scripts that were brilliant, and I've paid for scripts that were rubbish. Never can i remember squealing that it all should be for free. Greg Moore
Posted by AL-Benjamin, 09-08-2001, 10:20 AM
theres a thread on this in the control panels forum. just thought it might help.
Posted by JeremyL, 09-08-2001, 12:32 PM
I would disagree. Modern bill has most if not all the features of Ubersmith, with better security (from all I've read between the two) and it works on an 800*600 resolution screen. Im not sure what Ubersmith was thinking with their frames but the nav frame up top is WAY to small for anyone with an 800*600 resolution or smaller to use. http://www.dreamcost.com looks really nice but their security is a joke because the encryption key is stored in plain text. http://www.webhostingbilling.com is nice to and everything is closed source so cracking the credit card encryption would be pretty tough. Last edited by JeremyL; 09-08-2001 at 12:53 PM.
Posted by universal2001, 09-09-2001, 04:22 AM
Modern Bill looks pretty good, but kinda slow. Maybe it's their server? With regards to encryption in DreamHost they do seem to use it.. This comes from their website at dreamcost.com:- -- * RC4 DATA ENCRYPTION: DreamHost now encrypts all credit card numbers before writing them to the database. The encryption/decryption used is RC4, and the file can be store anywhere on your server, providing another layer of protection against hackers --- WebHostingBilling is too expensive.. Maybe a bit cheaper and they'd get more buyers. At the moment I'm looking at DreamCost..
Posted by akashik, 09-09-2001, 04:56 AM
Not sure how much I can accept the credit for that, but I mentioned to Dreamcost that Modern Bill had that security built in, and whether they were as secure. Shortly after they had it too. I also mentioned it on a few forums they probably visited. Just an observation but the guys at Modern Bill seem a little more proactive as far as the security level goes. Dreamcost have a damn good looking system, but I feel it lacks some of the 'lock-down' than Modern Bill has. Modern Bill also seem very keen on advancing their system to something equal in looks if not better. The nail in the coffin as I see it, is the recent upgrade to Dreamcost was a 50% retail charge. Modern Bill promise 6 months of free upgrades, then only $16 or so for another 6 months. Considering the nature of the software and what it does I'd expect a particular amount of free upgrades given the security concerns. Modern Bill is dirt cheap. I'm the last person to complain about paying for scripts. I think programmers deserve ever cent they make if they make a good product. Programmers deal is letters and numbers, and make mistakes however. Free upgrades, even for a period of time, tend to improve my opinion of them, as they accept changes need to be made, and their customer's shouldn't bear the prices of those changes, within reason. Both systems need some work. From the brief e-mails I've had with the guys at Modern Bill they seem to accept this readily, and constantly ask for advise on both information to build their system into other gateways, as well as taking comments about their script as positive feedback. It's been a long time since I've encountered a programmer that appears to be so interested in the end user's response. (Kunal and Marty accepted of course) Greg Moore
Posted by nopzor, 09-09-2001, 05:12 PM
Better security? Care to elaborate? Can you point out a _single_ security problem in Ubersmith? I'm all for comparing and healthy competition, but this comment seems somewhat uncalled for.
Posted by JeremyL, 09-09-2001, 06:46 PM
universal2001, Yes Dreamcost does use encryption. The probelm is they store the encryption key in a plain text file for anyone to find and use to decrypt the card numbers. So basically it's like leaving the key to your front door under the mat and waiting for someone to find it. nopzor, As I said in my statement, that was what I can tell from doing research on both products. The way modern bill does billing enables it to offer one more step in security. Basically the program is setup to run billing once a month in a Batch. And since it has to be started manually this enables it to never store the encryption key on the server. Every month when you wanna run batch billing, you have to manually enter the encryption key, and it is used to run the billing but never stored on the server. Now if ubersmith does not store the encryption key anywhere on any server please correct me but I did not see that info anywhere and therefore I am assuming it does. And if it does then I am hoping it is in a binary file or something of that sort but I am not that familiar with the product. So basically modern bill is a little less automated but that is the tradeoff that was made for security. So no I cannot point out a single security flaw in Ubersmith and I wasn't trying to say such a thing. I just feel modern bill's security architecture takes it one step farther. Last edited by JeremyL; 09-09-2001 at 06:55 PM.
Posted by WebBloom, 09-09-2001, 08:50 PM
Just a question regarding the monthly fee of Ubersmith's control panel. Personally, I prefer a one-time fee (those monthly fees definitely kill you in the long run). However, in this case I have been led to believe that the monthly fee is preferable because it gives you additional services including Ubersmith looking after and storing all of the credit card information. Of course, I have also seen posts from users that view this as a drawback and a security leak. But, seeing as they have facilities built specifically for the purpose of storing this information wouldn't it be preferable to a one-time fee in which you handle the customers credit card information? Any comments are appreciated.
Posted by nopzor, 09-09-2001, 09:38 PM
Thanks for clearing that up. I was under the impression that you were implying that there were some security holes in Ubersmith. We have taken a bunch of steps to ensure security -- steps that do not come at the expense of convenience. They have been addresses in previous posts, but I can reiterate them here if you're interested. Raj
Posted by JeremyL, 09-10-2001, 05:48 PM
I found a free one but no telling how good it is http://www.sisd.com/freeside/
Posted by akashik, 09-11-2001, 02:07 AM
I had a tinker with that one a while ago. I might make sense after you use it for a while, but for the life of me I couldn't make head nor tail of it. Nasty looking thing too. Greg Moore
Posted by modernbill, 09-12-2001, 05:18 PM
I like you guys a lot! You keep the ideas coming and we'll keep making our program better!
Posted by Sharpnet, 09-14-2001, 02:14 AM
This is simply the best user management software available today. It is a real pocket-buster, so it's not really available to the lower end of providers. More information can be found at http://www.digitalpoint.com/ Also was a web interface and is completely secure.
Posted by akashik, 09-14-2001, 04:17 AM
I tried that one... It's very impressive, but at the time only ran under windows, and had far too many features for my needs. There *is* a point at which enough is enough, for for our needs is was serious overkill. All it did was to confuse the situation enough where it got in the way more then it helped. Greg Moore
Posted by Sharpnet, 09-15-2001, 12:20 AM
Yes.. A big overkill but with very upgradeable features. As you use it, you will find that you need more and more..
Posted by jolly, 09-15-2001, 01:54 AM
So which one are freeware and platform independent. I want to test on our local servers.
Posted by sPoT!, 09-15-2001, 02:46 AM
I know this is not "geared" directly towards webhosting, and is not a free solution, but what do you guys think about Oracle's Small Business solution? This is the link: http://www.oraclesmallbusiness.com/p...wse&category=2 It does incorporate the full version of NetLedger into the suite, along with bill pay and crm, but it lacks key features for a host such as domain tracking and such. I emailed them a slew of questions We'll see what they say. sPoT!
Posted by akashik, 09-15-2001, 06:07 AM
Not really an answer directly, but there's a big list of invoicing/billing software here: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-...ing/resources/ Greg Moore
Posted by easygoing, 09-20-2001, 01:32 PM
Check H Sphere 2 at http://www.psoft.net/ . Their control panel has billing and invoicing built into it. This control panel has all the features that Alabanza offers plus some. No monthly service fees, you buy the software and can pay a small annual fee for updates and support. Minimum unit purchase is 100 domains, which is currently priced at $4.50 per domain. I believe they still offer a 30 day trial period.
Posted by jolly, 09-21-2001, 02:23 AM
Tks for the Info but this site is down maybe server is down
Posted by mikeknoxv, 09-21-2001, 07:22 AM
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...threadid=17588
Posted by ivan007, 09-26-2001, 06:55 PM
Try http://www.optigold.com They have a competitor comparison chart which links to loads of billing solutions: http://www.digitalpoint.com/products/isp/compare.html But Optigold is the best ... Ivan