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Posted by revdave, 07-29-2002, 03:30 PM
Is it bad when a host offers Unlimited Domains? Is it because eventually it will clog up their servers - so as a reseller we should stay away? ... too much of a good thing...?

Posted by Samuel, 07-29-2002, 03:43 PM
I liken it to unlimited bandwidth and space, there is a limit so saying that you will host unlimited domains is wrong IMO and false advertising, but like unlimited space and bandwidth you have to test it. One would have to make up their own mind if it is wrong for a provider to state this as it doesn't make sense does it? There is always a limit.

Posted by FDrive, 07-29-2002, 04:18 PM
I definately wouldn't say offering Unlimited Domains is as bad as offering Unlimited Bandwidth, but in reality, you can't really support that many domains... I mean even if each domain only uses 1MB of transfer per month, eventually, you're going to run out of transfer... So I guess if a reseller host says that they offer Unlimited Domains, what they mean is you can have as many domains as you want as long as you stay within your bandiwdth limit.

Posted by the-muse, 07-29-2002, 05:58 PM
From my experience researching perhaps 200 companies offering reseller packages with "unlimited domains", there has always been a disclaimer posted somewhere at the site stating something like: "Unlimited domains means you can add as many domains as you like as long as you keep them within the space of your own reseller account." So if you sign up for a million megabyte (1,000,000 MB disk space) reseller plan, you could host a million one megabyte sites, or two milliion .5 megabyte sites, or four million .25 megabyte sites, etc. Even with this imaginary plan, "unlimited domains" still means "unlimited within your reseller plan disk space", or "limited by your expense account only."

Posted by Aussie Bob, 07-29-2002, 07:00 PM
No such thing as "unlimited domains". IT's impossible, it can't be done. It's false advertising and bordering on fraud. IMO, it's deceptive and simply untrue. NO host in their right mind will let you host 5,000 domains in your reseller plan. A more honest word would be "Multiple Domains", or capping the number of domains per reseller plan.

Posted by revdave, 07-29-2002, 07:01 PM
Thanks - that makes sense.

Posted by webx, 07-29-2002, 07:30 PM
Unlimited domains is not wrong. Because each host or reseller here offers something unlimited. Unlimited Emails Unlimited MySQL databases Unlimited subdomains Unlimited blah blah and the list goes on This never means you can create unlimited email accounts, or run unlimited databases, does this? "Unlimited domains" gives the resellers a comfort level that they are not restricted to hosting just a few dozen client domains for a fix value. They can grow their business within their disk space and bandwidth allowance. And truly those are the only limiting factors. I have seen most of the end-users never use even 25% of their disk space and bandwidth. In fact 90% of our clients since last 5 years have always used fraction of what we actually alloted them. Even the sites which grew with time, have reached at the most at 35-40% of utilization. This means that fixing the number of domains will cap the reseller, which is not a good a business practice IMHO. Let them utilize the disk and bandwidth as much as they can. They can sell just a few BIG ACCOUNTS (again a fix number of domains does not make any sense) or a few hundred small accounts.

Posted by Vortech, 07-29-2002, 07:34 PM
Hmm you guys forget one thing.. Each domain that is setup takes away from somes space if setup right. So the domains can be unlimted with in there space this what we do it on our reseller plans and have never had a problem.. You can have 1000 domains if you want but the space and bandwidth will still hold you back we never said unlimited SPACE or Bandwith ( I can't speak for others on this now this is just how we do it ).. You may be able to get 100 small sites or 10 big sites for the same price.. But in a since its unlimited domains just limited in space or bandwidth.. THats at least how we do it can't speak on any one else.. So in our system as some one here said if the site was 1 MB at the least they could have 1000 sites on our small plan that comes with one 1000MB. But we don't limit the number of sites at all.. Please don't flame me on this. This is just how i see it if its wrong tell me why? I know you can't offer unlimited bandwidth thats nuts or space but domains or sites I see no problem there as its unlimited domains limited by your space or bandwidth.. sorry just my 2 cents on it..

Posted by Samuel, 07-29-2002, 07:35 PM
Because its related to the space, as mentioned before you would need unlimited space and bandwidth to actually get unlimited domains based on the package they give. The point is that you can't expect most customers to understand why a domain would take space, which is misleading.

Posted by Aquamarina, 07-29-2002, 07:37 PM
There are 2 another tricky things they do. They say unlimited domain pointers. Which means that you can have many domains pointing at yours! What a cheat! The other thing is about control panels. You can only have a limited number. But if you are a reseller you want each of your clients to have his own control panel! And of course, yes you can have as many domains as you can as long as you don't exceed the bandwidth and the space limit...

Posted by Vortech, 07-29-2002, 07:38 PM
They know there getting say 1GB of space they know there sites going to take some space or there would be no need to have a package that offers more space? Ture or not. If this is true then you are wrong they know about space and know there sites will take up space. We just don't limit them on the number of domains. I don't see this as missleading at all.

Posted by Vortech, 07-29-2002, 07:42 PM
Aquamarina: We don't say domain pointer we say DOMAINS.. Pointer are simple and can be unlimted very easy. As far as with us we do limit the number of CP logins but this is because we get charged for them. But you can buy more and as many as you want below cost yet again saving the reseller money. We sell H-Sphere lic. to our resellers cheaper then even H-Sphere sells them there self..

Posted by The3bl, 07-29-2002, 07:42 PM
I say unlimited domains on my reseller accounts and put a "*" beside the term unlimited and then say you can host as many domains as you can fit within your space and badwidth. Personally I worry more about the unlimted email accounts people offer, how many host offering that are going to allow someone to offer a free hotmail service on a $2.00 a month plan?

Posted by Vortech, 07-29-2002, 07:44 PM
Monte i think i will add your idea.. about "unlimited domains on my reseller accounts and put a "*" beside the term unlimited and then say you can host as many domains as you can fit within your space and badwidth. " Would you mind..

Posted by webx, 07-29-2002, 07:47 PM
We use "No restriction" on our plans But as I said, Unlimited Domains is not wrong either

Posted by The3bl, 07-29-2002, 07:47 PM
Nope go ahead I don't mind. Couldn't really object if I did

Posted by Vortech, 07-29-2002, 07:50 PM
LOL

Posted by Samuel, 07-29-2002, 08:00 PM
The provider commenting on this as why they do something is one thing, I would be interested in hearing real customers and how they feel about it.

Posted by webx, 07-29-2002, 08:06 PM
Who are the customers? Someone who will use Webhost Manager to run Hosting Business for example. We are talking about computer professionals here.

Posted by Samuel, 07-29-2002, 08:09 PM
Why do you think that customers wanting a reseller plan are going into business as a hosting company? Some just want an easy way to offer multiple accounts for one fee....

Posted by webx, 07-29-2002, 08:25 PM
Exactly. So how can you limit the number of domains? Someone may need just two domains/accounts to host in 1GB, and someone may need 150 domains to host.

Posted by Vortech, 07-29-2002, 08:46 PM
Samuel we have many users that are deisgner. They make one account and put all there domains under that one account and they love it that way.. I would say we are about 1/2 and 1/2 on hosting co. and users that just want to manage there accounts easier in one place.

Posted by The3bl, 07-29-2002, 08:49 PM
I would also like to hear from customers. I know I had hard limits on the domains when I first started and almost every customer asked for unlimited. So even tho I had limits they would never reach they still wanted to hear unlimited. That is when I changed it and added the cavet. Customer demand.

Posted by Aussie Bob, 07-29-2002, 08:55 PM
I recently added in hard domain number limits to all accounts. This has had no effect on signups. I just hated not being able to defend the argument of someone wanting to host 1000 domains on their $20/mth account.

Posted by cactus, 07-29-2002, 09:14 PM
As a reseller, I like the "unlimited domains" as I am already limited by my space/bandwidth and if the Host also limits domains on my reseller account, then it's like placing double restriction on my account which in my opinion the Host is not willing to take calculated risks with resellers. I can't speak for the others but in my opinion the below points is favourable to me in selecting a Host for serious reselling: From a reseller's perspective: 1)unlimited domains(limited by bandwidth/space) 2)Reseller Forum 3)Support Ticket 4)24/7 contact ...tel, mirc,icq, others 5)Reliable servers and connectivity 6)Able to upgrade to a dedicated when required 7)Data/files Backups, at least once a week 8)Have a reliable cc processing merchant account such as WorldPay If you provide more of the above, it will be to your advantage and a strong selling point. Last edited by cactus; 07-29-2002 at 10:17 PM.

Posted by Haze, 07-29-2002, 09:19 PM
We are in the same boat as Aussie Bob, we recently added restriction to the amount of accounts one can have per reseller package. We didn't do this because we have been taken advantage of, but in order to insure that we are not taken advantage of. It actually worried a lot of people that were interested in our service that we offered unlimited domains, but we assured them that that was unlimited within the resources that were available with there package. We decided to add the limit to make people happy, and it hasn't had a negative effect on our new signups.

Posted by webx, 07-29-2002, 09:25 PM
Haze, No offence meant, but what's the difference between Unlimited MySQL databases + Unlimited POP3 Email + Unlimited Mailing Lists + Unlimited FTP Accounts vs Unlimited Domains

Posted by Haze, 07-29-2002, 09:35 PM
It simply means we do not have a set limit. Do you have a better way of phrasing that? All of those things also fall under within the customers available resources.

Posted by webx, 07-29-2002, 09:40 PM
Exactly. I agree with you. We are in the same boat

Posted by webx, 07-29-2002, 09:43 PM
cactus, You are too cool

Posted by Aussie Bob, 07-29-2002, 09:57 PM
The boat's getting crowded. Oy, you lot - out!!

Posted by the-muse, 07-29-2002, 09:59 PM
I think I'm missing something here. I always go back to the beginning of these posts and re-read everything from the start, no matter how many times I return to the post. It seems like not everyone does that. But from my perspective, almost everyone here agrees with each other in concept, but not symantically. I am a reseller. If, as an example, I were to sign up for a 1 GB/30GB reseller hosting account for $30/month with a provider who offers "unlimited domains", I would know that I have a responsibility to my own resold accounts to give them the space they are paying for. I sometimes oversell space, but I still know the customer is entitled to what he is paying for, so I have to keep a close watch on his usage. With that in mind, I am going to closely monitor my own reseller allotment when assigning new accounts. Even knowing I am promised "unlimited domains", I realize that means "unlimited within my space." If I need to add more domains, but have run out of space, I'll have to upgrade my account, or sign up for a second one (I actually use four at present). If you are my hosting provider, and five years from now I have ten thousand resold accounts, you can rest assured it's because I have spent a ton of money with you (probably paid for a couple of your servers by that time). If I am still too dumb to get a dedicated server after that, and still need domains, I can get as many domains as I can afford space for. If my host is flexible, he can continue to use my success to build his business, until he has to move out of his colo and get his own data center. His data center will be limited in size only by the amount of money he continues to receive from me and the others who host with him, until he fills up every available square inch of the planet, then the moon. Then by that time, we'll have figured out how to live on Mars, so he can continue his expansion there. For me, that satisfies the definition of "unlimited", although I'm sure there must be an end to the universe somewhere? Isn't there? Or is there?

Posted by webx, 07-29-2002, 10:10 PM
The boat is expanding I see you as well on one end

Posted by Haze, 07-29-2002, 10:18 PM
John? John Howard, is that you?

Posted by porcupine, 07-29-2002, 10:19 PM
man this is a evil thread Unlimited domains is the same as saying "unlimited, emails" "unlimited ftp accounts", etc. Personally we just include a clause/note about reasonable use. You can argue until the cows come home that unlimited does not exist, but it's only as unlimited as your space, bandwidth, and cpu resources allow it to be. If someone created 1,000,000 domains on one of my servers, but stayed within their account restrictions, then so be it. Anyone who says this is false advertising is probably full of balogne, because the account limits are clearly stated (unless you've got unlimited diskspace/bandwidth), and it's not the same issue as bandwidth. It's like pumping gas and selling cars, any car can go unlimited miles, but you can't pump gas and claim the same (as it's a finite resource for a car, etc.), thats the difference i see between unlimited bandwidth and domains.

Posted by alchiba, 07-29-2002, 11:03 PM
Unlimited" does not mean "infinite" and in the case of reseller plans I think most people are astute enough to grasp what that means. (I do take issue with unlimited bandwidth claims, however.) Here's an analogy to the "unlimited domains" idea, using a different industry as an example: A friend of mine owns a chain of dry cleaning stores. As a promotion, he handed out mesh bags to customers and told them he'd dry clean all they could cram in there for $20. Basically, he's offering "unlimited" dry cleaning but clearly it applies to how much could fit in the bag. Some people brought in only four or five items, some brought in bags bursting at the seams with shirts hanging on by a cuff. But NOT ONE PERSON interpreted this to mean they could bring in the whole wardrobe plus the neighbor's wardrobe as well. Only what could fit in the bag. It's fun to play with semantics, but all in all I think most people understand the unlimited domain concept. My customers do, at any rate.

Posted by Aussie Bob, 07-30-2002, 12:29 AM
Put as much spin on this as you like. The fact remains that there is no such thing as unlimited anything.

Posted by JeremyV, 07-30-2002, 12:36 AM
I disagree, there is an unlimited amount of BS floating around on the internet

Posted by porcupine, 07-30-2002, 12:36 AM
Look at the word, un-limited, non-limited. Theres tons of stuff thats unlimited, it simply indicates the provider is not directly limiting the amount of domains a user can create. Plenty of us do this , not sure why some people define it as infinite, as life is finite.

Posted by alchiba, 07-30-2002, 12:44 AM
I completely agree. But every meaning must have a context. And in the case of "unlimited domains", the context is disk space and bandwidth. Without a context, you're just playing games with semantics.

Posted by Aussie Bob, 07-30-2002, 12:46 AM
I know I know, I'm just having some fun.

Posted by Suffolk Designs, 07-30-2002, 02:51 AM
Doesn't sound like you Bob Does that mean there is unlimited nothing then ?

Posted by Aussie Bob, 07-30-2002, 03:37 AM
Define "nothing" ? Also, no such thing as "nothing"

Posted by porcupine, 07-30-2002, 03:44 AM
unlimited nothing, wouldn't that be a double - negative?

Posted by Aussie Bob, 07-30-2002, 03:47 AM
No such thing as "nothing". Everything in the universe consists of matter etc. "Nothing" is impossible, as is "unlimited"

Posted by mdrussell, 07-30-2002, 04:26 AM
Bob, change of track recently? Like Vortech, our unlimited domains are restricted solely by the space they use - which is clearly stated on our site.

Posted by Aussie Bob, 07-30-2002, 04:34 AM
Yep, I couldn't defend telling someone that they can't host 1,000+ domains in their $30/mth account, no matter if these domains will fit inside their account.

Posted by mdrussell, 07-30-2002, 04:41 AM
Why wouldn't you host 1000 domains? Presuming they mostly did only a few MB of traffic each, it would no detrimental affect on the server speed.

Posted by Aussie Bob, 07-30-2002, 04:53 AM
I just wasn't prepared to run the risk of someone setting up thousands of domains on the server under their 1 plan. But that's just me. I'm not saying this is "right" or "wrong". This is just what's right for me and my business.

Posted by mdrussell, 07-30-2002, 04:56 AM
Fair enough - was just curious

Posted by Aussie Bob, 07-30-2002, 04:59 AM
Nosey chap.

Posted by XEOS, 07-30-2002, 05:48 AM
You really want to get into some fun stuff? Nothing like a good discussion about the fundamentals of the universe. :p I'd go into it, but three hours later, I'd be over the 10,000 character limit, besides, this isn't the time nor place for it. Here's my opinion on the 'matter', keep in mind our main market isn't resellers (nor is it hosting at all, but that's beside the point). Advertising Unlimited Domains isn't in the same league as unlimited bandwidth/space. I'd consider it unlimited as the buffet at an eat-all-you-can restaurant. They don't limit the amount you can eat, so really, it is "un-limited". Having said this of course, the few reseller accounts we have, are limited to around 25 or 30 domains.

Posted by Alan - Vox, 07-30-2002, 07:51 AM
This is my opinion... People seem to think that only thing that takes up the cpu time is server web pages. You could have a server with 10,000 sites on it using the same amount of traffic of a server with 100 sites on it. You think the load on the server would be equal then? Wrong! You have 100 times as many users using the server, that means 100 times as many people uploading their sites, 100 times as many people using the control panel(They do use a lot of cpu time), 100 times as many people sending e-mails, 100 times as many people checking their e-mail accounts and all the other things they do with their accounts. The load on these other services is going to be greatly increased and the server would most likely be very slow. You will also have much more people running scripts so you are going to have more that run out of control etc.. Also much more chance of having spammers etc.. Many of the reseller providers havent been around long enough to see the effect unlimited domains have. Sure your making good money now with x amount of resellers on the server, but what about in 10 months time when all these hosting companies you host have 10 times as many customers and still fit in the same amount of disk space and bandwidth you allocated them. I think the fact that some providers have stopped offering unlimted domains and put a set limit on it(myself included) speaks for its self...

Posted by cactus, 07-30-2002, 09:42 AM
As to Hosts limiting domains for resellers, sure it's good for the Host so they can load one hundred resellers accounts on the server and also slow down the server. As I see it, the reseller is already limited by space/bandwidth and to limit domains is just not to the reseller's advantage. Assuming the server has 60GB-space/400GB bandwidth, and offer one simple reseller plan say 5GB-space/30GB -bandwidth In theory, this Host can provide only 12 resellers and plenty of reserved bandwidth, an honest Host like SplashHost(no offense) don't oversell?.... but who can stop the unscrupulous Host loading 50-100 resellers and oversell, thus slowing down the server. From a reseller's perspective, this is not an ideal reseller package deal for bulk reselling as a reseller. If you want a win-win situation(Host/Reseller) be fair to your resellers, let them load as many domains as they need and you as Host also load as many Resellers as you want. Monitoring your server will indicate whether you may need extra servers to cater the additional load if it's slowing down the server due to more Resellers or Domains All we want as resellers is a good deal and guarantees, so when we see Hosts offering "unlimited domains" and "limited domains", both guarantees: 1) "Unlimited Domains" limited by your space/bandwidth 2) "Limited domains" limited to a max 50 domains or space/bandwidth, whichever comes first. It's just not sensible for a Reseller to accept (2) when they are unsure if the Host is scrupulous/unscrupulous. Who can tell??? Last edited by cactus; 07-30-2002 at 11:21 AM.

Posted by Vortech, 07-30-2002, 10:39 AM
Your problems like most CPanel hosts is you run mail, dns (Maybe) Web, CGI, mySQL, pgSQL, every thing off one server. For us its a little diff. we split every single thing up. A webs erver is just that a web server nothing else. Mail server is just that a mail server, and the big part the Control Panel runs on its own server. This really helps over the old way old way over CPaenl. Also lets you have a few more users on the same hardware.. So your ideas may hold good for 1 server setups but not clusters.. We run CPanel as well so we have tested this both ways. The cluster idea works 100x better...

Posted by EzSnake, 07-30-2002, 11:01 AM
Lol now u just need 1 CF 5.0 and 1 CF MX

Posted by Vortech, 07-30-2002, 11:04 AM
EzSnake??? You talking to me??

Posted by webx, 07-30-2002, 11:32 AM
Me again Alan, Putting up extra domains and accounts will not create extra load. Because load comes from traffic, and its already limited by bandwidth and disk space. As I wrote earlier, how can you define the limit of domains on particular bandwidth and disk space? The same reseller account could be used by a really good reseller to sell to two BIG clients and this is how reselling is done. If we go by your logic, then overselling will also come under this category. And this whole reselling and hosting business will not make any sense. I hope you get my point Plus after one year, you can't limit your resellers by putting a limit on the number of domains. The businesses grow regardless of limited domains or unlimited domains. And since everyone does oversellling, you can still be in "trouble" which you can avoid by careful planning and moving the reseller to a new dedicated server. (cactus just gave an example scenario)

Posted by EzSnake, 07-30-2002, 12:09 PM
lol Ya vortech Just Kidding really!!! Pm me if u need futher explination

Posted by Alan - Vox, 07-30-2002, 12:14 PM
masood, I just explained why the load isnt just decided by the amount of traffic... Vortech, clusters probably do reduce the problem but it just means you need more servers to create a cluser so it shouldnt work out that much different.

Posted by BeDifferentSolutions, 07-30-2002, 12:27 PM
I love the hypocritical post made by some "Unlimited Bandwidth sucks. Long live unlimited domains!". Unlimited means "without bounds". Guess what? I see bounds. Hard drive space. What is the difference between the two below? Think about it. 1) Unlimited Bandwidth - Limited to 5 GBs per month. 2) Unlimited Domains - Limited to space allotment. Of course someone will try to defend their hypocrites, but the principals that govern unlimited anything are the same. Nothing is unlimited. It is a lie. Can I add 40,000 doamins to a 1 GB account? I should be able to. I have unlimited domains.

Posted by webx, 07-30-2002, 12:47 PM
Alan, Check your website you offer Unlimited POP3 Accounts and you wrote: "100 times as many people sending e-mails, 100 times as many people checking their e-mail accounts" UmBillyCord, What's the difference between "Unlimited MySQL databases + Unlimited POP3 Email + Unlimited Mailing Lists + Unlimited FTP Accounts" vs Unlimited Domains All providers who are "supposedly" not providing "unlimited domains" provide "unlimited everything" Now I have to agree with Myles: " man this is a evil thread "

Posted by Alan - Vox, 07-30-2002, 12:51 PM
Well they are all impossible also. I just havent had any trouble with people using to many ftp accounts, but people using lots and lots of domains is a problem.

Posted by alchiba, 07-30-2002, 01:04 PM
Part of the problem with this whole discussion about "unlimited" is that no ground rules have been established. You're all attacking this from different points of view. (I used the word "context" earlier.) Some of you use the strict dictionary meaning, others come from a practical position of server resources, and still others are using marketing language. The discussion as it stands is a no-win for any side, and has been for at least a couple years in these forums. But I do have a question for all you (us) unlimited domain hosts, or any reseller host for that matter: What's the largest number of active domains you now have under a single reseller plan?

Posted by Aussie Bob, 07-30-2002, 06:45 PM
Yes. I have a contact who wants to host 2,700 domains and I won't let them on our servers. He'll use 2GB of disk space [apparently] and no more than 15GB transfer. He'll pay $30/mth. Ok, who wants this client?

Posted by Samuel, 07-30-2002, 06:52 PM
Ill host him on my local server!, but he has to supply the name file lol

Posted by BeDifferentSolutions, 07-30-2002, 07:08 PM
Send them to MCHost or another one who allows for unlimited domains. 2700 is nothing compared to unlimited.

Posted by webx, 07-30-2002, 07:15 PM
Our 2GB plan is not $30/month, so we won't be able to take it If he can fit in any of our plans, we'll take him. No problemo Happy?

Posted by Aussie Bob, 07-30-2002, 07:38 PM
It would be interesting if someone posted a request like that into the Request forum and see how many hosts who offer "unlimited domains" respond. I would say he would get ZERO hosts respond to an offer of 2,700 domains for $30/mth. Talking about allowing unlimited domains and debating the semantics is one thing, but actually putting your money where your mouth is and allowing such an account on your server is quite another.

Posted by webx, 07-30-2002, 07:45 PM
Same is true for "Unlimited MySQL databases + Unlimited POP3 Email + Unlimited Mailing Lists + Unlimited FTP Accounts" Especially when MySQL database is not even counted in Disk Space by cPanel

Posted by alchiba, 07-30-2002, 08:15 PM
My guess is he's a domain broker and just wants pointing. He doesn't really need hosting in the strict sense of the term. There are creative solutions for this kind of client, and they don't necessarily involve 2700 vhosts. I say this even though I realize this is no longer a serious discussion. . .

Posted by smidwap, 07-30-2002, 11:01 PM
With "unlimited" domains, you can create literally unlimited domains...I guess until your httpd.conf file reaches 60 GB (or whatever your HD space is)

Posted by webx, 07-30-2002, 11:04 PM
I don't think so There are "Unlimited MySQL databases" and a few other Unlimited thingies which will not allow you for a 60GB httpd.conf file

Posted by porcupine, 07-30-2002, 11:06 PM
I think the whole point is, that it's not "infinite" it's "un-limited" or "not limited".

Posted by Aussie Bob, 07-30-2002, 11:58 PM
The question still stands - Who would take on a client like this?

Posted by webx, 07-31-2002, 12:02 AM
May be you should post it in advertising forum

Posted by JustinH, 07-31-2002, 03:11 AM
Now let's assume SuperDuperHost.com takes up on Bob's offer for the 2500 domain client. Let's also make the assumption that they are all actual clients that use very little space and virtual no bandwidth. Okay, so one day 25% of those clients all decide to log into the shell, I know, unreasonable but could happen. So 625 (sorry if I'm wrong I'm tired ) clients all log into the shell. So you "unlimited domains" hosts out there, tell me, how pretty would your load times be?

Posted by porcupine, 07-31-2002, 03:40 AM
comphosting: Most places have a clause that states they cannot use an unreasonable amount of system resources, or a set number like 10% of cpu usage, and memory, etc. This is completely reasonable, and a clearly set limit on the account also, how much people oversell their resources is up to them, and not the server owners responsibility if the client oversells their resources to such an extent it voilates their account agreements.

Posted by alchiba, 07-31-2002, 09:51 AM
That's irrelevant. Your example is a TOS/SLA issue. "Unlimited domains" doesn't mean "bulletproof system performance". This scenario can happen in any hosting environment if resources aren't managed properly. Porcupine is correct. A reseller (or host) can oversell himself into oblivion. It's all about management.

Posted by webx, 07-31-2002, 10:56 AM
comphosting, It may take 25% users to login to shell but only one user to create Unlimited MySQL databases to close you down Any takers?

Posted by alchiba, 07-31-2002, 11:00 AM
Actually, it can take just one to do that.

Posted by porcupine, 07-31-2002, 11:02 AM
I dont get it, how would that shut you down if you had a posted amount of permitted resource consumption? Their account would be disabled because they were using more then their allocated resources.

Posted by webx, 07-31-2002, 11:13 AM
That was reply to comphosting's hypothetical unlimited domain hosting bashing I hope you get it now

Posted by BeDifferentSolutions, 07-31-2002, 12:06 PM
What is the difference? "No-limit" "un-limited" "infinite", they all have the same underlining meaning - no bounds. Nothing can stop you from using something because it comes "without limits". Unlimited doamins is *limited* by space. No longer unlimited is it? Then I guess unlimited bandwidth is possible. They can use resource use to 'limit' use. The issue is use of a word that is a lie to start with. Use something that better defines what you mean. "un-metered", you are not metering the domains added, but you are metering the space. No where does this term "un-metered" state you have unlimited use as promised by the word "unlimited" itself. People do not care about unlimited e-mails, aliases, etc.. because they are cheap and damn near impossible to fill to the point it causes loss of revenue. Unlimited bandwidth is easy if you are not paying like $.10/GB. Unlimited domains is harder then bandwidth to fill, but easier then e-mails for example. This is why so many people think it possible. It is still a grey area. But the principal is the same, unlimited is a lie. If you bash unlimited one thing but offer it in another, then you are a hypocryte.

Posted by porcupine, 07-31-2002, 12:16 PM
shrug* i guess you can argue everyone here is a hypocryte then because i've yet to see a host that wont give you unlimited email addresses. If i told you "hi, heres a harddrive, your quota is set to unlimited" would you assume the harddrive had infinite space on it? Pretty big difference there.

Posted by webx, 07-31-2002, 12:18 PM
Domains can not be metered anyway What other better word would define it? We use "no restriction". But you can still bash it. "Unmetered" is synonymous with "unlimited" in pure theoretical terms as far as domains are concerned. So is "no restriction". What else? Putting up unlimited domains is a far cry, however putting up "unlimited emails" or "unlimited mysql databases" (which are not even metered) is a high risk area To put each domain, you need to register it ($$$). To create an email account or mysql database, you just need to press a few buttons.

Posted by alchiba, 07-31-2002, 12:37 PM
Not necessarily. Unlimited domains and unlimited bandwidth are two different animals altogether. Disk space is a fixed-cost resource. If I give you 1gb space and say you can cram as many domains in there as you want, I am completely in control of that and can deliver on my promise. Unlimited bandwidth is another story since the charges for that continually pile up. The host is not in control of that resource and cannot reasonably offer it at a fixed priced because his cost can continually scale upward to the point of breaking his back. That notion makes no sense whatsoever. That's why you have to stop thinking in terms of the dictionary definition of unlimited without regard to what it applies to and think of it in the proper context. Last edited by alchiba; 07-31-2002 at 01:07 PM.

Posted by BeDifferentSolutions, 07-31-2002, 02:34 PM
No, my friend. I explained the difference if you would read carefully. Unlimited e-mail forwards, aliases have become a *standard*. Unlimited domains and bandwidth have not. Big differnce. I am not saying unlimited domains won't become a standard either. Sure they can. Do you keep track of how many domains are added to a reseller plan? Then they are metered. If you say unmetered, you say you will not keep track. Why? Because space is the factor youuse to meter. To *me*, this term is a lot more close to what people are trying to do then calling things unlimited. That is just my view on the use of that term. And bandwidth isn't? Isn't a 10 Meg coinnection a fixed-based resource? OK, I want to put unlimited domains in there. Can I? This all goes back to the topic at hand. Can I fit unlimited domains in that space? NO! OH, really? Why can't I use resource use to limit bandwidth. Sorry you do not see it, but I do. Limiting unlimiting domains to space at hand, is NO differnet then limiting bandwidth to resources at hand. While the hard limit is set with space and a customer knows whatthey are getting, resource use can still be an good limiter for bandwidth. That is why you need to accept the term for what it means. So I guess a dictionary has no place with you? You create your own meaning of terms and words as to you see fit? Hell, throw out the dictionary and let people create their own meaning. Who needs standards? Sorry, but "proper context" IS the same. Is a Black car any less black then a black shoe? Black is black. Unlimited is unlimited. I could care less who uses what term. You won't see me post a flaming mark against someone who has unlimited anything. That is there business. But when people bash a unlimited host and I see they in turn have unlimited domains for example, it drives me nuts and I will argue it. Yes, it is hypocrytical. You seem to be taking it serious. I am sure we could argue this all day. Seeing the people involved like to debate at every opportunity. (Look at our prior post ). I guess until there is a set standard, there will always be debate. Take care.

Posted by porcupine, 07-31-2002, 02:47 PM
unlimited domains have not become a standard, yet unlimited email accounts have? Please, direct me to the RFC's or whatever you think defines this as a standard, because i'd have to be breaking standards. Maybe it's become a standard in your eyes, but that does not make it a global standard.

Posted by webx, 07-31-2002, 02:51 PM
Yes, I take the challenge Lets see when you start putting up domains

Posted by BeDifferentSolutions, 07-31-2002, 02:55 PM
How many host do you see with unlimited aliases or forwards? Let me help you - just about all of them. Now how many offer unlimited domains? Some of us can us *common sense* to apply standards. When the industry accepts unlimited forwards and alaises and includes them on every plan. I would call that a standard. So how do you not see it as such? Seems like a global standard to me.

Posted by porcupine, 07-31-2002, 02:57 PM
Tons of hosts offer unlimited domains, unlimited subdomains, etc. perhaps unlimited emails is a more established "standard" in your wording, but that does not invalidate domains just because not as many people do it. Theres been tons of unlimited diskspace/transfer providers also, does that make it a standard? Because they've been around just as long, if not longer then unlimited email addresses.

Posted by webx, 07-31-2002, 03:03 PM
May be you missed my earlier post: What is "Unlimited POP3 Email Accounts + Unlimited FTP Accounts + Unlimited MySQL Databases + Unlimited Mailing Lists"?? That means this whole reseller business is a hoax? Right? WRONG!! Here's what a reseller replied earlier, if you missed that too: Having said that, if someone offers 50 domains/accounts, does it mean I can host 50 domains/accounts? Right? WRONG!! It will depend on the size of sites. It may be able to only manage 5 domains. So what's the point of labelling it with 50? False advertising?

Posted by BeDifferentSolutions, 07-31-2002, 03:04 PM
I think you just keep arguing to valadate your unlimited offerings: http://www.prioritycolocation.com/hosting.shtml Unlimited domains? Unlimited MySQL? Etc... You offer it, so you need to defend it. That is your deal. You also keep missing the point. It is a numers issue. Would anyone argue unlimited forwards or aliases is not a standard? I can't find a host who doesn't have that as a feature. Yet, unlimited MySQL and Domains? Come on. People are arguing it now. Very few offer this compared to the 16,000 or so out there. You keep looking at WHT host. Sure many do, that is because they play keep up with the Jones. For every 1 who offers unlimited domains or MySQL, I will find 10 or more who don't.

Posted by webx, 07-31-2002, 03:11 PM
You are confusing here end hosting company with reseller business. FYI this is reseller forum

Posted by porcupine, 07-31-2002, 03:18 PM
Uhhuh? Do webhosts not have the right to defend themselves, or their offerings from absurd claims like this? Unlimited diskspace/bandwidth claims have been around longer then probably every webhost on this forum, but that does not make 'em a standard. It's exactly like masood said, you advertise 50 domains, you're still set within the other constraints of the account, does that mean if you give a reseller 1gb of space, and up to 50 domains, and they use 1gb of space for the 1 domain and cannot create more you're falsely advertising? Give me a break. And if you look at the big boys in webhosting, i mean the real big boys, i'm sure one of the first things you'll notice is that many of them simply do not offer unlimited email accounts, aliases, etc. Because they know corporate accounts will fill their pockets, but it's still not on their offerings. If you offer a finite number of domains that can be hosted, they will still be in the same restrictions of diskspace, cpu, etc. as an unlimited number, so regardless, your arguement of false advertising not only nips my behind, but yours as well.

Posted by BeDifferentSolutions, 07-31-2002, 03:34 PM
Lets look at the big boys, shall we? Some do, some don't. Interland - Unlimited. Affinity/Valueweb - Unlimited See Eye Host - Unlimited Verio - Not unlimited. It is a numbers issue. Almost all host offer unlimited alaises or forwards. That is pretty much a standard in my book. I estimate not even a 10th offer unlimited bandwidth or space. How can that be a standard when hardly no one offers it? Who cares how long the offering has been around. This just proves my point. It has been around as long as unlimited forwards and aliases, yet not everyone incorporates it. Hence, it really isn't an industry standard. Anyway, I bow out since we both are going to get anywhere. Take care.

Posted by alchiba, 07-31-2002, 04:36 PM
UBC, I'd like to respond point by point but I don't have unlimited time. So in closing I'll pick two points. Yes, only because I'm trying to rescue the subject from being just a trendy little topic where people like to post cute barbs at hosts and move on to the next time waster. It's my own damn fault for actually believing there just might be those who want to have a meaningfuly discussion about something that is obviously imperfectly understood. But for most, a sophomoric joyride to nowhere is a lot more fun. I agree. And only through debate do standards arise. Such a standard could even be born right here. The IEEE, ISO and other standards organizations don't take a bus trip to Mount Sinai to pick up their regulations all neatly chiseled onto stone tablets. It takes a little thought, a little mud wrestling, and a lot of cooperation.

Posted by SoftWareRevue, 07-31-2002, 04:45 PM
So . . . . . . . Did we answer revdave's question? As the debate rages on . . . . . . . . . . I have a feeling this isn't going to be settled in this thread.

Posted by BeDifferentSolutions, 07-31-2002, 06:52 PM
I agree. I meander through life hoping me meet these all-knowing, mature beings who stay out of post and do not reply in order to avoid "sophomoric" behavior. I value these people who have the *right* answer and who are so far superior that when someone else doesn't agree, then the only foregone conclusion could be that the discussion is no longer 'meaningful'. I salute this person - where ever you maybe. To quote Chevy Chase "God, I admire you."

Posted by webx, 07-31-2002, 07:13 PM
Yes, of course. Unlimited domains is not bad

Posted by porcupine, 07-31-2002, 07:36 PM
point being, you dont limit the number of domains on a server you resell, so theres nothing wrong with doing it on a reseller plan thats supposed to emulate a dedicated server in smaller scale? It's the same thing, they both have the same limits, etc.

Posted by Aussie Bob, 07-31-2002, 07:51 PM
I personally see no difference in promising unlimited disk space and bandwidth and promising unlimited domains. Why not just call it "Multiple Domains" with a disclaimer that says you are limited by the size of your account? IMO, that is more honest. But I am not as smart as the folks who promise unlimited domains and who argue that it's ok. Hence we don't offer unlimited domains. I hate not being able to defend 100% a position that I take on an issue. I could not defend "unlimited domains".

Posted by porcupine, 07-31-2002, 07:56 PM
Aussie: if yuo clearly define the limits of the account which may indeed limit the number of domains, such as memory usage, cpu time/usage, diskspace, and bandwidth, then unlimited domains should be fine. It's the exact same thing as a dedicated server, you don't limit the number of domains they can have, if anyone asked you, you'd most likely just say "as many as you like, we do not limit them", so why is this any different?

Posted by JustinH, 08-01-2002, 01:08 AM
I'll let you gues defend yourselves with ridiculus responses and comparisons... You say "But you offer Unlimited E-mail" and yet you all offer the same! If Bob or Alan offered something unrealistic, that you guys didn't, you might have a case. But instead you defend it by pointing and saying "WELL YOU DO THIS". How does that make an argument? Furthermore, saying "but your limited by the amount of system resources you can use" even makes your argument MORE ridiculus. That's the exact same thing unlimited bandwidth hosts say "Yeah you have unlimited bandwidth." Come to find out if they feel like our using too many system resources, your account is terminated... This is exactly why I'm currently hosted with SplashHost, I'd take that business plan against any "unlimited domains" host in a heartbeat.

Posted by Samuel, 08-01-2002, 01:12 AM
Exactly, you don't get unlimited domains unless you pay more for server resources, so it's a falacy.

Posted by porcupine, 08-01-2002, 01:20 AM
And what if you purchased a 50 domain reseller account, and then used up all of the resources with the first domain, and were unable to create any more? You're limited by your account in that instance also, where is the difference? If i paid $40 for a 50 domain acocunt, and $40 for an unlimited one, if i didn't get 50 domains on the 50 domain account, frankly i'd feel far more ripped off, but the circumstance would be identical, you would not get all 50 domains due to restrictions of your space, bandwidth, cpu, mem, etc. No difference. You can advertise unlimited, and argue it's not possible, yet at the same time, any account that allows features that eat out of your personal space is not possible either with hdd quota's. What happens on an unlimited email account when the user runs out of space and is no longer able to create more email accounts? What happens on a server when you run out of hdd space and can't add any more domains (since most places do not limit the number of domains on a server if you're renting the whole thing), do you then complain? I think not, you say "duh, i ran out of space, better do something about that", same goes for a reseller account.

Posted by webx, 08-01-2002, 01:23 AM
comphosting, You have neglected your own self in your post This argument was used because you fail to recognize simple rational and logics. 1. Unlimited domains is a relative term 2. Unlimited domains is not same as unlimited bandwidth 3. The hosts you are trying to defend, already provide unlimited everything. So your argument is false. 4. 50 domains/ particular plan is a false advertising. There is no such thing. and many more points which you fail to recognize in all the posts. Anyway, don't take it to your heart

Posted by SoftWareRevue, 08-01-2002, 01:29 AM
So then, if I get an account with an Unlimited disk space/ Unlimited bandwidth host; can I then have Unlimited domains?

Posted by webx, 08-01-2002, 01:31 AM
I don't think any unlimited BW/Disk guys are in reseller business tough luck

Posted by SoftWareRevue, 08-01-2002, 01:39 AM
Hmmm . . . . seems I've read those exact words on sites offering unlimited bandwidth. Not all that different now; is it?

Posted by Samuel, 08-01-2002, 01:46 AM
Not at all, it's misleading advertising, but then they get away with it.

Posted by webx, 08-01-2002, 01:54 AM
I have yet to see a host which does not offer such a "misleading" advertising. Just pick any host, run a resouce hog script and they'll throw you out! Why? Now this argument is just for the sake argument otherwise I have already proved it without a shadow of doubt that in reseller business unlimited domains is the norm and not exception. Only hosts which have no idea of what they are doing, can put a double restrictions on their customers. My 2 cents more

Posted by BeDifferentSolutions, 08-01-2002, 01:59 AM
What are you talking about. The difference is HUGE. 50 domains is a lot more possible then unlimited. How hard is that to understand? Unlimited is not possible. Also, how hard is to say "50 standard web sites". Can you say "unlimited standard web sites"?. Didn't think so. PS - Nice arguement. Same one unlimited bandwidth host use. Massod, what the heck is it relative too? Why don't you educate us. It sounds like the only thing it is relative too is to how much you wish to defend your use of a term that is a lie. What? A Ford is not a Bicycle. But an 'unlimited' Ford is is just as much BS as an "unlimited" Bicycle. Bandwidth and domains are not the same. Throw the word "unlimited" in front, and it makes them the same. They both become a lie. The question is so simple. Can I host unlimited domains? NO! Why? Because your are "LIMITED" to some other restrictor.

Posted by Samuel, 08-01-2002, 02:04 AM
Yep lol

Posted by webx, 08-01-2002, 02:08 AM
UmBillyCord, Sorry, I do not have the power to educate you If you don't wear glasses, start using them, and read all my previous posts. I have yet to see anyone replying to the arguments I used. Just bracketing Unlimited domains with Unlimited BW/Disk, you will not achieve anything. It only shows your lack of knowledge and your pathetic attitude. Thank you for reading

Posted by porcupine, 08-01-2002, 02:13 AM
50 domains is no different in account limitations then unlimited domains. If you have one domain that eats up all the diskspace, you cannot create the other 49, so it's really not 50 domains. This is the point i'm trying to proove, you claim it's misleading, well stating 50 domains can be misleading under the same terms too, but obviously people aren't understanding what im trying to say here, otherwise they'd go "hrm, thats right". I'm not sure about everyone else, but unlimited emails, and unlimited domains might as well be the same thing, they both eat out of account space, take system resources, and can be filled at comparable rates if someone wanted to abuse their account to make your system suffer. The problem with unlimited bandwidth is they say unlimited transfer, then redefine it as "60gb" and stuff like that, redefining the exact resource they state is unlimited. Nowhere on a unlimited domain host will you see "unlimited cpu usage, unlimited memory usage", and most wont say "unlimited is really only 10 domains" either, it's a seperate resource, which may affect the first, but im sure any host defines what amount of system resources accounts can use, if you don't have a clause in there to define reasonable limits, then whats to stop one user from taking over awhole box, but do we claim thats false advertising? Of course not. Lastly, i dont know about other unlimited domain hosts, but we stick to it, if the account is not abusive, and we've had great sucesses, one of our resellers has over 100 domains on his reseller account, and he's thrilled, one is running a forum sizable (technically larger) then WHT on it (dont ask me how the heck thats happening, 20,000 users, 350 active, system is barely flinching), but the bottom line is, the domains are unlimited, the other account resources are not unlimited, if you exhaust your hdd space putting in domains, then guess what, you didn't buy a plan with unlimited hdd space now did you? You bought a plan with unlimited domains, go upgrade your space allowance. Anyhow, i guess the bottom line is, in technical fact, if a client wants to abuse unlimited domains, they could just as easily do so with unlimited emails, etc. and you would be up the same creek without a paddle, and im sure most would have a clause in their AUP/TOS about unreasonable resource usage, the same as any unlimited domain host has. If you compare unlimited domains to unilmited bandwidth and unlimited diskspace, might as well do it with emails too, as they're both the same thing, when it comes down to it, little bitty files on a system.

Posted by webx, 08-01-2002, 02:19 AM
Myles, As I said in an earlier post, no one can abuse unlimited domains. Each domain prices to register. Probably all these bashers have ignored the "fact of life". Bandwidth on the hand goes without spending a cent! I wish I find someone who can host unlimited domains with me

Posted by miami_g, 08-01-2002, 02:20 AM
we used to offer unlimited domains and got slaughtered by the email situation that you speak of. bandwidth is bandwidth but overuse of smtp is rough. unlimited domains also brings to a rather cheap client that doesnt want a server but wants its function for 1/10 the price. we did a serious retrun on investment analysis on this modle and found that unlimited domains accounts used a total of 60-75% of systems resources and brought only 28% of the gross income. something was wrong with that. however if they want cheap give em that on a garbage slow server and stuff them in like sardines, cheap is as cheap does...

Posted by porcupine, 08-01-2002, 02:28 AM
miami_g: just set cpu allowances and memory limits on the accounts within a reasonable realm. And masood, people can abuse unlimited domains but not really registering them , just creating them, but why bother? If i saw a client with 2000 domains on one of my servers, i'd probably be annoyed as it would be impossible to find anything in those CPanel/WHM listboxes, but if they were legit, then chances are, i wouldn't touch it, but ask how many more were to come over

Posted by webx, 08-01-2002, 02:30 AM
LOL

Posted by JustinH, 08-01-2002, 02:39 AM
Just bracketing Unlimited domains with Unlimited BW/Disk, you will not achieve anything. Why because you offer unlimited domains and you don't offer unlimited bandwidth? That's logical. It only shows your lack of knowledge and your pathetic attitude. Wow, you insult a very frequent member of this board who's opinion is well respected around here, who has the pathetic attitude? Unlimited domains is a relative term One could argue unlimited bandwidth is also. Unlimited domains is not same as unlimited bandwidth What proof, the senseless crap you posted in the list? The hosts you are trying to defend, already provide unlimited everything. So your argument is false. No the hosts I'm defending don't offer unlimited domains, bandwidth or webspace. 4. 50 domains/ particular plan is a false advertising. There is no such thing. Your going to have to explain that one, and I'm sure that Alan and Bob would also like you to enlighten us with your know-all attitude. and many more points which you fail to recognize in all the posts. Really, I thought I read them clearly and still believed your argument had no standing.

Posted by porcupine, 08-01-2002, 02:41 AM
comphosting: Were you quoting me there with number 4, or what? Without nickname tags on what you're quoting it adds a touch of chaos .

Posted by JustinH, 08-01-2002, 02:45 AM
I was quoting any statement that annoyed me I really didn't care who said it ... but for the most part I believe it was masood that I quoted.

Posted by webx, 08-01-2002, 02:50 AM
I said they offer everything else Unlimited. Read my earlier posts. If you can't read it, go and visit their website. They are similar to offering Unlimited Diskspace! What is disk space composed of? Unlimited domains alone? No! Unlimlited POP3 Email Accounts. Unlimited MySQL databases. Unlimited Mailing Lists. Forget everything, how can anyone host Unlimited MySQL databases?

Posted by The3bl, 08-01-2002, 02:51 AM
comphosting correct me if I am wrong but weren't you one of the people that signed up with EarHost on their unlimited hosting reseller plan?

Posted by SoftWareRevue, 08-01-2002, 02:53 AM
I have yet to see an arguement you used that could be replied to.

Posted by JustinH, 08-01-2002, 02:55 AM
wow let's everybody jump to conclusions, Yes I was a customer for earhost, and no I didn't even know they had an unlimited plan, if I had known that I would have never signed up in the first place. Now tell me, what what was the point of that post? Furthermore masood, sigh... your still arguing junk. You keep saying "Well they offer unlimited space" because of the no mysql limit? That would be like me saying if you host unlimited domains you have unlimited web space, your making no sense, but after reading most of your posts it doesn't surprise me at all.

Posted by miami_g, 08-01-2002, 02:55 AM
our main beef is the email situation. the majority of traffic our people used is not http but smtp other users get pissy when they cant login to smtp or mail takes time to deliver due to excessive strain on the email client. we may go back to this model of unlimited domains, not unlim bandwidth and each mysql is pay per use. but we will put them on their own servers so they can kill each other and not the good paying clients.

Posted by webx, 08-01-2002, 02:56 AM
This is the argument you have been using against unlimited domains. you can sigh.. now

Posted by Samuel, 08-01-2002, 02:57 AM
What does all that crap have to do with anything? Geeze, there is no such thing as unlimited, that cleared up you're stating to your customers NOTHING The customer should ask, how many domains does unlimited add up to. And keep pressing that, but it's clear that the hosts that state it love using it, and the detractors hate that they do. Amazingly the hosts only see one side. "It's ok to use unlimited in their advertising, EXCEPT when it comes to space and bandwidth" Geeze, double standards abound, its crap that will wash away some day.

Posted by porcupine, 08-01-2002, 03:00 AM
samuel: so you wouldn't touch a host that offered "unlimited email accounts"? Unlimited does exist, how do you offer unlimited mysql databases? Dont pay any attention to the server and let them do what they want!

Posted by webx, 08-01-2002, 03:01 AM
Ah! Let me just put up one argument for you: What is the difference between "UNLIMITED MySQL Databases + Unlimited FTP Accounts + Unlimited POP3 Email Accounts + Unlimited Mailing Lists" vs "Unlimited domains"

Posted by Samuel, 08-01-2002, 03:02 AM
I dont offer unlimited anything porcupine, unlimited does not exist, only in marketing.

Posted by JustinH, 08-01-2002, 03:02 AM
Unlimited does exist Myles... I hope you were joking when you said that . masood... I'm not even going to bother, I'm tired of wasting my time... thought I what I do find odd, is that you weren't willing to take Bob's 2500 domain client for him, since after all, you DO offer UNLIMITED domains.

Posted by webx, 08-01-2002, 03:03 AM
Here's a second argument Can I host 50 websites in a 50 domain package?

Posted by Samuel, 08-01-2002, 03:04 AM
I offered it jokingly to run on one of my spare amd 450's that run UNDER MY DESK, IF they supply the named.conf. I doubt they will be happy with the performance of a dual DLS connected network running on an old 18 gig scsi drive =)

Posted by The3bl, 08-01-2002, 03:06 AM
Comphosting I just found it interesting that you signed for a unlimited domain plan but are ralling so hard against them here is all.

Posted by Samuel, 08-01-2002, 03:06 AM
Yes, since it's stated you get a maximum of 50 domains, and a maximum set space, and a maximum etc etcetc If you open end any of the features, you run into trouble.

Posted by webx, 08-01-2002, 03:06 AM
You can read my earlier post. I was and I'm willing to take him provided he chooses one of our plans Now what?

Posted by webx, 08-01-2002, 03:10 AM
This is what everyone is saying. The limits are already defined.

Posted by Samuel, 08-01-2002, 03:20 AM
Not all of them... The problem that one side is pointing out is with a set space, and set bandwidth, you should have set amounts of domains. Relating them to each other is beside the point on normal usage, limiting them gives realism.

Posted by webx, 08-01-2002, 03:23 AM
At least all of us on this thread agree on this I havn't seen any reseller package which does not have disk space or bandwidth limits defined.

Posted by JustinH, 08-01-2002, 03:35 AM
Sorry... misread your post the first time. That is the EXACT reason that I am ralling so hard against them, because I needed a business with a solid plan and a future. I'm making these comments based on my experience with 2 other hosts that did offer unlimited domains. Now I'm with a host that doesn't, and everything has been far better then before. What really pissed me off was the fact that the same hosts that argue unlimited bandwidth is such a horrible thing, offer unlimited domains, and use THE SAME ARGUEMENT that unlimited bandwidth hosts use. I still have yet to hear one good explanation on how a host that offers unlimited bandwidth says "Within reasonable resources of your account", is in any way different then an unlimited domain host saying it.

Posted by webx, 08-01-2002, 03:46 AM
comphosting, cheer up! once you have utilized "UNLIMITED MySQL Databases + Unlimited FTP Accounts + Unlimited POP3 Email Accounts + Unlimited Mailing Lists" then let us know what unlimited domains is

Posted by JustinH, 08-01-2002, 03:52 AM
Just as soon as you fill us in on how we can utilize UNLIMITED domains AND accounts, you let us know, since that was the original topic of the thread afterall.

Posted by The3bl, 08-01-2002, 04:00 AM
You guys can argue this till the cows come home and I don't think anyone is going to change what they are doing.

Posted by Alan - Vox, 08-01-2002, 08:38 AM
masood, fasthosts offer unlimited everything i think

Posted by Aussie Bob, 08-01-2002, 09:12 AM
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Posted by mk123, 08-01-2002, 10:52 AM
MOO... ?? wat type of sound is that?? sounds familiar eh! but please sounds should be in accordance to the subject of the thread!!

Posted by ADEhost, 08-01-2002, 11:10 AM
Since I do not know whom your target market is I can not comment, but I can give you a perspective from my target market. My clients are high demanding resellers, they need services and they want to be able to utilize resources. on average ever custom reseller plan I have is at 90%+ utilized on the domain issue. same with the disk space and just about everything else. since I load balance the servers, it's easy for a reseller to have domains placed over a multiple of servers. if I offer unlimited domains, I will end up with a parking nightmare that will in the long run slow down the servers and the DNS servers. Non of my clients would ever accept that. they want speed. unlimited is something I dislike rather alot. mike

Posted by porcupine, 08-01-2002, 11:56 AM
hey mike, what do you use for load balancing? Is this just a regular load balance, or is this a redundant cluster setup? (i've been curious about redundant clusters for some time, but never really found out much about the software used in 'em). I've bene itching to try the CPanel cluster setup, but am having trouble finding any information about current people who use it (dont wanta step in muck again like cpanel for FreeBSD, except in an operating environment).

Posted by BeDifferentSolutions, 08-01-2002, 12:42 PM
You have yet to make one reasonable arguement. Have some friends read what you wrote. Don't tell them it was you who wrote that. They will say this: 1) You are an idiot when it comes to explaining ANYthing. Here is a masood arguement: "Pears are great!" Wow. What intelligence. Due yourself a favor, and quite patting yourself on the back and work on your arguements. You may think you are some genius, but you come accross a fool. Why do you think no one responds to your post? Hmmm..... 2) Your English sucks. No offense, but study the language more before you try to argue in it. It isn't even worth my time to try to debate with you. At least with Myles, there is reason behind his debates. Feel free to post some stupid reply that you think is clever. To me you are a George Constanza from Sienfeld.

Posted by alchiba, 08-01-2002, 01:05 PM
What's wrong with pears? I like pears.

Posted by BeDifferentSolutions, 08-01-2002, 01:07 PM
Hey, could you run faster with those scissors please!

Posted by webx, 08-01-2002, 01:17 PM
UmBillyCord, Cheer up! My English sucks! And my arguments are stupid. Happy? You win!

Posted by alchiba, 08-01-2002, 01:17 PM
ROFL I can just feel the love around here.

Posted by BeDifferentSolutions, 08-01-2002, 02:00 PM
Wow, thanks Masood. Because of this great, positive move forward you have taken I will now give you a great honor only bestowed upon my closest friends. Masood. You can call me UBC. This should not be taken lightly and used with great respect. I know I shouldn't have, but I just felt it was right.

Posted by porcupine, 08-01-2002, 02:08 PM
Does anyone smell that, must be hot air getting out of somewhere... I think umbillycord's head is swelling even more! how's he gonna fit through the door tonight?! .

Posted by ADEhost, 08-01-2002, 02:17 PM
LOL Cpanel under a cluster or load balanced situation LOL. Can't happen unless you run a few software packages as inbetween's but more to the point, the load balancing I was mentioning in this content was the h-sphere round robin system of placing the accounts to each server ( not the clustering or load balancing aspects on cpu load sharing h-sphere does not do that ) . as for clustering and load balancing unix and windows servers in web envionment, I would love to tell you but let's talk about the subject off line. mike Mike

Posted by porcupine, 08-01-2002, 02:24 PM
mike: For CPanel i just meant the clustering setup, its built in, no load balancing from what i can tell, im not quite brave enough to use it yet though

Posted by webx, 08-01-2002, 02:57 PM
UBC How do you do? This thread is wonderful. Its not an evil thread. It increased my post count and I found a friend



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