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Posted by eliasbalt, 02-03-2003, 03:50 PM
i am currently with httpme but thinking of jumping the ship (again) because of all the downtime. last month was OK 98% uptime, but this month is now only 3 days and already 93% uptime and 4 hours downtime, so i think better leave before sorry and my clients cannot take it can anyone please email me good offers at eliasbalt@yahoo.com ? from hosting companies. thank you
Posted by ThePrimeHost, 02-03-2003, 04:05 PM
I wouldn't be to hasty. Httpme is one of the best webhosting providers on the market today. Did you speak with Aussie Bob about this yet? I'm sure he as addresses or will address the down time. I'm also sure that it will not be a habit on his part. Every web host will have some down time. We just try to make it all as minimal as possible. Kind Regards, -Darrell B.
Posted by dbbrock1, 02-03-2003, 04:06 PM
That 4 hours of downtime was out of their control. They have their servers in the NAC dc in NJ, along with me. The last 48 hours has been completely horrible.
Posted by case, 02-03-2003, 04:13 PM
i recommend digitalxweb.net . pure inap bandwidth , good costs , friendly fast support . I moved to them just resently and have had nothing but praise .... cant go to wrong with a 100% uptime sla . Not to mention they have plesk, hsphere(on hold for now) and bsd plans you can all offer to your customers as well . then again , i might cut httpme some slack , some of those issues seem to be out of thier control , and could easily happen to where you move
Posted by jennej, 02-03-2003, 04:48 PM
Don't be so quick to jump ship. All hosts have downtime, but not all hosts are open and honest about it. You'll be hard pressed to find another host who is completely upfront about things going wrong. Besides, this last spate of downtime wasn't even HTTPme's fault. Many of the popular hosts on this board were down as well. I've been with HTTPme since July 2002, and I am completely satisfied with the service, uptime, and price. I am continually impressed by the quick response time, as well as the friendly community where users help other users with questions ranging from problems with code to choosing digital cameras. FYI, my site is www.jennsjournal.com. If you really must find another host, check out www.voxtreme.com, another excellent choice. The only reason I left them was because of my budget (HTTPme had a smaller, cheaper plan back in July). They are friendly and honest as well. Good luck, Jenny
Posted by trustedurl.com, 02-03-2003, 05:24 PM
I'd recommend looking into the current offers if you really want to switch. But as others said: if the noc is down, then there's little they can do. HTTPme has a great reputation, but anyways.... remember that the 98% is only based on 3 days.... if there's no downtime the rest of the month, then they might get back up to 99% or is my math flawed here?... let's see... if we measure over 10 days.... if we look at the first 3 days and 1 day of downtime, then we have 66.6% uptime.... however if we only have 1 day of downtime over the whole 10 days, then we have 99% uptime.... see what I mean?
Posted by diederik, 02-03-2003, 05:48 PM
eliasbalt, I think you should stay with HTTPMe. Apart your this comment, I have never heard anything bad about them, and I think you will be in good hands with HTTPme. As far as I know, there were some issues with NAC, where HTTPMe has their servers, so it wasn't really their fault. I've seen Aussie Bob posting all their uptime reports on their forums, something which is unique for a host, and shows you can trust them. You should re-consider leaving them , as they are an excellent host ( in my eyes ). Good luck Please note that I am not sponsored by HTTPMe at all
Posted by trustedurl.com, 02-03-2003, 05:58 PM
Correct. And to be honest, they're not bad at all.... and yes I am competition! lol. Anyways, the only bad thing I can think of re. httpme is that Aussiebob still spells "kernel" as "kernal".... but yes, httpme is one of the better companies.... I personally wouldn't move just over this....
Posted by brandonk, 02-03-2003, 06:04 PM
eliasbalt: The bad part: As everyone else has said, downtime will occur. The good part: NAC, having gone through this experience, will probably be more reliable in the months to come because they are more likely to put more security blankets in place. I don't think you could say the same for other NOCs that didn't have/expect to have the power problem.
Posted by TheMMIz, 02-03-2003, 06:09 PM
EDITLEASE REVIEW THE ENTIRE POST, IT HAS BEEN CHANGED AS ACCURATELY REFLECTED ~~Start Original Post~~ eliasbalt, Welcome to the forums! I usually dont defend companies, but I assure you that you are in the best possible hands with HTTPMe and Aussie Bob. If you are absolutely intent on switching reseller accounts, I would suggest VenturesOnline, but once again if I were you I would stick it out. Bob really takes his hosting seriously and it shows. NAC is a great datacenter in my opinion, but they have been having major issues during the past few days. Do a search for them on the forums and you'll find that MANY hosts have been down. I really wish you the best luck with any host you decide to go with, but moves are a pain in the butt for everyone involved, and I really think HTTPMe offers a quality service. ~~End Original Post~~ EDIT: This edit has been removed. Had contained negative comments about AussieBob SECOND EDIT: I suggest you use the search feature on the forums before going with any host. Take the time to read the posts, and go a few months back, and back even further if needed. If you are looking for a serious host that you want to be reliable and will be there five years from now, see host long they've been around, what their customers have to say, and even what other hosts say about them. Good luck in your search. Last edited by TheMMIz; 02-09-2003 at 04:18 PM.
Posted by jasonfrommic, 02-03-2003, 06:10 PM
Yep, Nac had power problems.. They are a great host, I would stay put You can check their message board for more info
Posted by DavidC, 02-03-2003, 06:31 PM
I've heard a lot of positive things about Httpme and its owner Bob too. Bob is posting in these forums every now and then, so maybe he can explain the downtime for you in this thread soon..
Posted by The3bl, 02-03-2003, 06:46 PM
This weekends downtime was a nightmare for many host, myself inculded. Bob runs a good hosting company, you would be making a mistake to jumpship because this weekends downtime, it was out our hands none of the host affected could do anything other than sit by and watch. The good host kept the customers informed as best they could on what was going on, and I beleive Bob met that test. I would venture to guess there were at least 50 host affected by this weekends events. You could have been with one of those that choose to hide instead of trying to keep you up to date. Think about it.
Posted by Aussie Bob, 02-03-2003, 10:26 PM
Yeah it's been a rough few weeks. First the SQL Slammer attack on the whole internet. We had 4 out of 12 servers effected due to that little event. Then the recent NAC power failures on their 3rd Floor. That effected 10 out of 12 servers. Many apologies. It's just life on the net these days. Let me know when you're ready to move and I'll arrange a refund of your last payment. Best wishes.
Posted by cactus, 02-03-2003, 10:27 PM
I had a reseller account with httpme and find them very helpful. However such things like the datacenter getting knocked out, there's nothing anyone can do about it but pray that the DC is back online at the soonest possible time. I believe Httpme has all their servers at nac if I am not mistaken. It has its pros and cons when you put all your eggs in one basket. I sympathize with Bob and wish him well. regards
Posted by Aussie Bob, 02-03-2003, 10:42 PM
Yeah I drop by every now and then.
Posted by ChickenSteak, 02-03-2003, 11:03 PM
Yawns* find a new provider, those who say "it was out of his control" ... bs he has the choice to go with top of the line expensive servers/providers/datacenters or to go with trash, such as $100/month servers. This is just my opinion.
Posted by cactus, 02-03-2003, 11:17 PM
What are you talking about??? Please get your facts right before blasting a well respected company. If you care to visit their website and learn more, maybe you may not be that stupid to make such a statement. I agree everyone has their own opinion and we respect that, but please use it carefully and tactfully
Posted by Aussie Bob, 02-03-2003, 11:17 PM
I'd hardly call NAC "trash".
Posted by alchiba, 02-03-2003, 11:19 PM
Servers have nothing to do with DoS attacks, routers or fiber. Or do you consider Cisco to be trash?
Posted by The3bl, 02-03-2003, 11:32 PM
Consider the source a 13 year old scam artist. Forget him....
Posted by FHDave, 02-03-2003, 11:39 PM
Aussie Bob is a nice fellow. The problems are beyond their hands and I would strongly urge you to stay with him since he is one of the best out there. Let him do whatever it takes to solve his problem, but as of you ... when the problems are sorted, you can be sure you are in good hands.
Posted by RossMAN, 02-03-2003, 11:56 PM
Actually I had an opposite experience. First of all I have been a happy HTTPme.COM customer for 2 months and have nothing but praise for how Rob runs things. My forums are hosted with another webhost which offers a great product at a substantially lower cost, my forums were up and down and today they were down for about an hour then crawling really slowly. I'm going to try and be patient because I know it's these damn attacks to blame which are totally out of their hands. While my forums (which are hosted elsewhere) were down, my HTTPme.COM sites were up and running, albeit a little slow but at least they were functioning. I'm sorry that you're not happy with HTTPme.COM but you're definitely the minority, a very small minority.
Posted by ChickenSteak, 02-04-2003, 12:02 AM
I don't see any facts to get straight, it's all opinion? Dedicated Now is the subject here, is it not? I said I didn't specify what the case of what was trash in this circumstance, all I said was things that can be trash. Now where did I say cisco routers/switches. Here is where someone needs to get his facts straight. If you could please *actually* point me out to where I *actually* scammed someone? He may be nice, but what does that have to do with reliabiliy? enough said.
Posted by Andrew, 02-04-2003, 12:08 AM
Hey pee wee...when did anyone say anything about httpme using dedicated now???
Posted by FHDave, 02-04-2003, 12:10 AM
As I said, let him sort of the network reliability problem, perhaps by moving out to a more reliable DC/network. There are more parameters/variables on getting a good host than just a network reliability. So my suggestions stays, let him sort of the problem and I will suggest him to stay.
Posted by homeiss, 02-04-2003, 12:21 AM
No one said anything about Dedicated Now in this thread did they? I am fairly sure that HTTPme doesn't use Dedicated Now and besides what's wrong with them anyways? I hear they are quite good. I suggest you get your facts straight before you make foolish observations. I forgive you.
Posted by The3bl, 02-04-2003, 12:22 AM
All anyone has to do is a search on Brandon and Larry Armstead to get full understanding of who you are.
Posted by cactus, 02-04-2003, 12:23 AM
Hey ChickenSteak, please stop defending yourself. Sometimes it good to admit if your comments was utterly in haste and not intentional. I do sometimes also make sarcastic remarks but do apologize when I realized I made a mistake, nothing wrong with that. Regards
Posted by ChickenSteak, 02-04-2003, 12:25 AM
DedicatedNow are the ones facing the issues are they not? Monte.. i'm not Larry Armstead, as I said please point it out. Also BTW anyway can say anything but it dosen't hold water without proof. Please point out these so called scams, and provide evidence to support that they are indeed *real* scams.
Posted by The3bl, 02-04-2003, 12:34 AM
Yep sure your not, oh I forgot he is your brother. Your right no one could prove timmy ever scammed either other than posting their experience with him. Read and learn a little the whole 3rd floor of NAC was affected not just DN. DN just happens to have a number of clients on here that were complaining. But plenty of other host were affected also.
Posted by FHDave, 02-04-2003, 12:46 AM
Yes and no (and honestly, I am too confused). Been pinging both of them at the same time (ping plotter) and at some points, the problems are both in NAC and DN. But then later on, it was only DN.
Posted by TheTech, 02-04-2003, 12:51 AM
A couple of my servers located in the NAC were also affected. From the looks of it, DedicatedNOW just happens to be the largest NAC server connection provider. ChickenSteak, your arguments are pathetic towards this thread and they are unreliable. You've obviously made your point clear, quality matters not reputability. Understood. Unless you had a recommendation of a web host for eliasbalt to consider, I would suggest you carry on, because bashful remarks aren't invited into this thread. To eliasbalt, I recommend unitedhosting.co.uk. It's Ensim, with an incredible skin. I just can't get over it. Last edited by TheTech; 02-04-2003 at 01:01 AM.
Posted by intellec, 02-04-2003, 01:48 AM
was looking at HTTPme.COM and another host at NAC. I may as well wait it out. ChickenSteak, who you using for a webhost?
Posted by MCHost-Marc, 02-04-2003, 02:00 AM
They're not trash. Many people were saying the same things about DV2 when they had DOS attacks and network issues. This is just prove that no data center is safe from DOS attacks and they all can experience network issues, its the nature of the internet.
Posted by Aussie Bob, 02-04-2003, 03:24 AM
We don't use DedicatedNOW.com for any servers. Our reliability is proven by our ~500 clients. See if you can find any negative threads about us here at WHT about servers being down and bad support etc. They simply don't exist. There's a very good reason for that. I think ChickenSteak is still mad at being banned from our .COMmunity.
Posted by RossMAN, 02-04-2003, 03:34 AM
LOL pwnag3!
Posted by fantasmic0, 02-04-2003, 03:37 AM
Chickensteak .. from your very first post on this issue & this hosting provider , I could tell that you have a hidden agenda & a vendetta against HTTPme.com & Bob . Whoever you are ... Larry , Brandon , Timmy , I don't care - your credibility arround here is zip (0) , zero !! You are what is more commonly known as a msg. board TROLL . I suggest you go find a bridge somewhere & hide under it like all good little trolls .
Posted by Samuel, 02-04-2003, 03:45 AM
Bob uses color safe bleach. There was a time when he used straight bleach but he would come to the restaurant with pink shirts. How's the new little one bob.
Posted by cactus, 02-04-2003, 03:45 AM
Okay thanks Bob, now we know why he was attacking Httpme.com and trying to seek revenge.
Posted by Dimester, 02-04-2003, 12:11 PM

Posted by ChickenSteak, 02-04-2003, 04:20 PM
Monte yet again get your facts straight. Larry isn't my brother, Larron is my brother. Without proof it dosen't hold water with people who *actually* have a brain that works properly. Unlike you my friend. I've seriously been using localhost on dsl which amazingly gets a better uptime then nac as far as my alerta monitoring shows . Yes all networks have problems, it's just that not all of them will go down from a DoS attack. Some have properly trained network engineers, etc. Amazing a traceroute to one of your ip's brings the *exact* same route(~accept for the last ip) as a DN server I admin. Trust me I was never mad from being banned, i'm actually glad I didn't buy such poor service as this tread clearly shows. wtf is pwnag3 suppose to be? let me guess "ownage" - another script kiddy counterstrike playing kid *yawns* Even if I do or don't - which I don't, I don't see how this has to do with the thread started recieving poor service, and my comments for him to find a *reliable* provider. BTW imagine your creditability :eek. I'm, not attacking *httpme.com* nor trying to seek revenge, did I say I was? *Yawns* My advice to you eliasbalt is to find a new provider, and remember you pay for what you get.
Posted by Andrew, 02-04-2003, 05:14 PM
Oh okay, so I guess people should search wht for Larron instead of Larry...great reading there... And you have the audacity to keep on badmouthing others.... Lameness from the mouths of babes.
Posted by Aussie Bob, 02-05-2003, 04:04 AM
poor service". Is this kid [ChickenSteak] for real?? Oh please. Go somewhere else and post your pathetic trash.
Posted by Aussie Bob, 02-05-2003, 04:07 AM
hehe. Don't have too much to worry about from the likes of those kiddies.
Posted by UH-Matt, 02-05-2003, 10:03 AM
For what its worth we have a lot of respect for HTTPme and they seem a great company. Although I myself dont use them (for obvious reasons ) If i was looking for hosting and didnt have my own company I would definitely go with these guys... Out of ~500 customers there will always be a few which are not happy and decide to kick up a fuss on public forums.. thats life folks, im sure most people can see through the occasional bad post and notice all the positive threads which exist. Bob: dont get wound up by all the kids posting here, deal with the customer and let the rest of them post there silly little opinions and feel they have made a difference - even if there opinion means nothing.
Posted by ChickenSteak, 02-05-2003, 01:04 PM
Bob you call me a kid yet you can't even spell your title correctly. "Serve with Honour" BTW you claim to have ~500 client (resellers). Going by the 13 servers you have at status.httpme.com divided into 500 means you have roughly 38 clients per server? No wonder why there is such poor service, besides the network, and non-existant backup generators.
Posted by Aussie Bob, 02-05-2003, 01:34 PM
That's how we spell honour here in Australia. You didn't know that?? Yep. We place 40 WHM accounts per server. Again you talk absolute trash [big surprise ] with "No wonder why there is such poor service". Where is this "poor service"? Come on - PUT UP or SHUT UP. Show me all the unhappy clients?? Show me all the threads here about this "poor service"?? If you want to take a shot at me, then fine, but make sure you can back up your trashy claims with hard evidence. Why do I even bother replying to this 14yr old kiddie?? Oh well, clicking on this kiddie filter makes this forum bearable again.
Posted by flexiplan, 02-05-2003, 01:50 PM
yeah, stop winding bob up ! If you've got something bad to say, at least have some proof ! A lot of people around here have a lot of respect for Bob. So i wouldn't waste your time !
Posted by Joana, 02-05-2003, 02:19 PM
am surprised that this thread is even going that long..
Posted by Aussie Bob, 02-05-2003, 02:47 PM
Yep. Probably best closed up. Criticism is good, and we all need it, but trash posts like ChickenSteak's, belong in the bin.
Posted by eliasbalt, 02-05-2003, 03:19 PM
why do you want my thread closed? i have sent in a support ticket last month asking your staff if uptime is going to be better this month and they say yes. this month in even 2 days it is worse than the entire month before. what gives? i am not accusing anybody but i have a business to run and i need a RELIABLE maybe more expensive provider. first month with httpme uptime was good, second was bad and third is very bad so i am leaving beforemy clients do. i am not accusing anyone withour proof, the bad uptime statistics is showing at the httpme forums. rob used to update the weekly stats in a post, but since the 20th january is not going anymore so probably cause of the bad uptime. please do not close this thread but give me suggestions where to take my business (i have only received 2 over email). thank you
Posted by Aussie Bob, 02-05-2003, 03:28 PM
Mainly because of the garbage posts by ChickenSteak and his obvious trolling. The mods usually close up threads when they go on like this. These things happen. Sometimes attacks take place, as with the recent SQL Slammer attack. Sometimes power failures happen in datacenters. DDoS attacks also happen from time to time. Things go wrong. It's the nature of the net. That's quite ok. Let me know when you're leaving and I'll organise a refund of your last payment. Ahhhh, no. We actually have all uptime stats on the status.httpme.com page. Anyone can see real uptime stats for all servers. Those stats will also give a complete uptime % history. They're a much better method than what we were publishing previously. Hardly trying to hide stats due to the recent problems with the SQL slammer worldwide internet attack, NAC power issues etc. It's been a rough few weeks for all hosts. I would suggest you check out www.Voxtreme.com. They're a great host and a good bunch of chaps too. Best wishes for your business.
Posted by Rochen, 02-05-2003, 04:16 PM
Danm, just saw this thread, right well, just so you know... I skipped from page one to here, because I couldn't really be bothered reading through all the nonsense posted by ChickenSteak regarding Bob/HTTPme. Just to quickly add my two cents here before this thread hits the recycle bin.. To be honest, I really don't see what you would have to gain by moving away from HTTPme, with the exception of having the hassle of moving sites. Downtime happens, it's just part of doing business on the internet, just like planes occasionally break down at the airport. No one likes it, but we accept it. The problems at NAC over the past couple of days were a one-off or extremely rare IMO. As Bob already said, they weren't the only provider to be affected, we were affected, Voxtreme was affected, SplashHost was affected and the list goes on. The advantage of using a provider such as NAC is, these things happen rarely. I personally advise you to stick with Bob and the team over at HTTPme and wouldn't advise you to move providers because of one issue. Anyway, good luck whatever you decide to do
Posted by MarkChen, 02-05-2003, 05:19 PM
When someone leaves your service do you always refund their last payment? Or is this just being offered because the drama is being played out at WHT and by the time you make the offer you are fairly sure your customer is not going to leave anyway? I mean, do all your customers know you refund their last payment when they leave? You should make a sticky on your forum telling them about it.
Posted by Choppy, 02-05-2003, 05:29 PM
MarkChen, Maybe Aussie Bob is going to refund the customer because he has not been happy with the service and uptime of the past few days and since its still the kind of start of the month the customer has not used much bandwidth etc. I don think because a customer is leaving Aussie Bob would refund them or due to the fact that its been posted here would make a difference httpme.com gets alot of PR already. All providers have down time multi million dollar datacenters are cripled sometimes by attacks and problems, so dont think a more expensive service will benefit anyone. Regards Phillip
Posted by Rochen, 02-05-2003, 05:30 PM
I think the refund was probably for the downtime at NAC and due to the specific reason that person is moving hosts, not just becuase they are moving.
Posted by MarkChen, 02-05-2003, 05:31 PM
I am not sure if Nasty Bob pays to post here but he seems to have the moderators on a string. The way he likes to run the threads is that he says something that he thinks solves the problem or adequately reponds to any criticism and then to make sure he has the last word he issues the command: "OK you can close this thread now" and you now what? the puppets usually do!
Posted by MarkChen, 02-05-2003, 05:35 PM
It is the start of the calander month but you have got absolutely no idea where the customer is in terms of his payment month. Stop playing at being the "Goodfellows".
Posted by Choppy, 02-05-2003, 05:57 PM
MarkChen, Im not playing in any ganster movie we are a competitor of Aussie Bobs and so are many others that posted in this thread if you bothered to read some sigs. We can let Aussie Bob explain his own refund policy or travel around to his terms of service and read for yourself. My point was that multi million dollar datacenters have problems as probably NAC is and its effecting someone that can not control it. We own our servers, switch and APC UNITs, Reboot strips etc that doesnt mean if the datacenter we are colocating at has a DDOS attack we wont be effected. This is what im trying to get at. Regards Phillip
Posted by vito, 02-05-2003, 06:11 PM
Boy, this is the type of thread that makes me glad I'm not a full time web host that participates in this forum. You guys are like cats and dogs. I've never been a customer at httpme but it is quite obvious that Bob is dedicated to running a customer oriented business and is attentive to customer needs. You can clearly see that from the lack of disparaging threads here at WHT, as well as his overall disposition and comments in his posts. There was a worldwide problem that affected countless hosts. It happened. It affected the datacenters. Nothing any host could've done about it. So where's the issue?? Why do people think that the only way they can get ahead is by putting down their competition? If you invested as much time promoting your business and offering the best customer service possible, you would not have to be obsessed with slamming a competitor to make yourself look better. It's just common sense, isn't it??? Then again, why should reason prevail? Geeeeez. Vito
Posted by MarkChen, 02-05-2003, 06:21 PM
Sometimes it is really hard to keep track of which days you are "friends" and which days you are "competitors" http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...027#post822027
Posted by MarkChen, 02-05-2003, 06:43 PM
You should ask Nasty Bob that question. He was the one who made up lies about Tina from AffordableHosts so he could damage her business and build his own then after the damage was done he apologises as though that makes everything ok: But he can't stop there. If he feels in any way threatened he is right on to the attack even now: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...hreadid=102061 Then he tries to hide it with "We are all friends" " just discussing things" "Just my 2 cents worth" "IMO". And all the goons come out to support him.
Posted by homeiss, 02-05-2003, 07:30 PM
You know what you are? A hypocrite... You tell other people to get proof about you, yet you yourself don't prove anything about people you try to talk smack about so why don't you take your own advice and get some proof or shut up.
Posted by ChickenSteak, 02-05-2003, 07:30 PM
MarkChen, thanks for standing up for me. I'm not even a competitor as I don't own a hosting biz. Aussie Bob knows him and his gang think they can scare people away, I actually have recieved a pm from Bob with a threat, and how all his "goons" are watching me.
Posted by ChickenSteak, 02-05-2003, 07:35 PM
homeiss how can I be a hypocrite, and I don't even run a web hosting business to have 40 resellers per server which is outrageous. homeiss I don't see where I need to get proof, i'm not stating facts. I'm stating my opinion, I suggest you get yourself an iq higher then 20. I clearly stated my opinion, not factual information such as what Bob's name is.
Posted by homeiss, 02-05-2003, 08:08 PM
Then stop posting BS about people when you have no proof, you ask other people for proof well we want proof, we don't want to hear your stupid opinion without proof just like you don't want to hear people put you down without proof.
Posted by MarkChen, 02-05-2003, 08:09 PM
chickensteak I wish you all the best but I have no idea who you are and i was not standing up for you. However, I do know how Nasty Bob operates and it is not nice. I actually asked what Nasty Bob's refund policy was given that he stated he would refund the thread starter's last month's payment and for some reason other people answered me as though they were qualified to give authoritative answers.
Posted by Samuel, 02-05-2003, 08:30 PM
The only thing worse than being talked about, is not being talked about.
Posted by Andrew, 02-05-2003, 08:49 PM
So, we're all supposed to ask little Brandy and Larry how many accounts we can put on a server now? :p
Posted by fantasmic0, 02-05-2003, 09:41 PM
and how has the last 4-5 days been ?? Are you still having downtime ?? Hmmmm... if you go to the correct link on the HTTPme.com site you will see an uptime report for all the servers - going back into January . Hold on .. I'll try and find a host for you who has no downtime or issues ever , who has servers in a datacenter with no downtime or issues ever .... oh wait .. this may take me a few years , because you see - in the nature of the internet - there is no such place . If you on the other hand find one , please let us all know . Last edited by fantasmic0; 02-05-2003 at 09:59 PM.
Posted by fantasmic0, 02-05-2003, 09:57 PM
I guess all that bad publicity about you , your real identity and that of your brother has stopped you from running a hosting business?? Thank god for that . TROLL ALERT !! TROLL ALERT !! Hehehe , you are laughable , realy you are . Read that statement back to yourself . Then hurry back to bed , hug your teddy tight , before your mommy finds out that you're still up .
Posted by Choppy, 02-05-2003, 10:23 PM
MarkChen, There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism, deep down we all love each other We are business people focused on expanding and growing to the standards of | Insert Name Here | and better! We all have hopes and we are all on the same ride even though we take different paths to get there. A long the way many hit bumbs and stops, thats how it is. At no time have i said that Aussie Bob is the most nicest person to talk to and at times he's sarcasim gets to me on these forums also. All the same i also can see that he cares for his customers and for that, he gets respect from me due to running with a good business module in place. NAC problems are NAC problems yes he did select to go with NAC but they would be my second choice also. Regards Phillip
Posted by Aussie Bob, 02-06-2003, 02:25 AM
Quite happy to let MarkChen and ChickenSteak ramble on with their usual meaningless trash. It made me smile seeing MarkChen pop up in this thread to take some cheap potshots from under the bridge.
Posted by Samuel, 02-06-2003, 02:30 AM
I hear the bridge can be lonely at times though... haha. You have some fans I see mr down under! Keep thy chin up, and the hammer down =)
Posted by Aussie Bob, 02-06-2003, 02:36 AM
What happened to Rackeasy.com?? Go down the drain?? Did you sell it?? You asking a question about Rackeasy - here You promoting Rackeasy ---> here You're still in the whois for Rackeasy.com - Domain name: rackeasy.com Registrant Contact: rackeasy.com Brandon Armstead (support@rackeasy.com) 1-866-699-2397 FAX: 1-866-699-2397 413 Vaniman Ave Trotwood, OH 45426 US Kinda makes your words seem hollow - "I'm not even a competitor as I don't own a hosting biz." Oh let me guess - your dad own the business, you just work there? lol. Post the "threat" for everyone to see. Last edited by Aussie Bob; 02-06-2003 at 02:58 AM.
Posted by Samuel, 02-06-2003, 02:40 AM
Yea, bob threatened me too! Proof is in the pudding everyone, NASTY bob is bad man. edit: corrected mis-statement Last edited by Samuel; 02-06-2003 at 03:04 AM.
Posted by Aussie Bob, 02-06-2003, 03:00 AM
That's Nasty Bob to you buddy!!
Posted by Samuel, 02-06-2003, 03:05 AM
fixed =P
Posted by MarkChen, 02-06-2003, 09:38 AM
Nasty Bob wasn't laughing so loudly when he made up lies about Tina from AffordableHosts so he could damage her business. In fact, he was in a total panic thinking he was going to be sued for defamation. He only apologised to try and avoid this. Then when it became clear that it would be too difficult to pursue him across the Pacific he returned to the sexist references and hounded Tina out of WHT and out of alt.webhosting. Anyway I suppose it is good of you to stick up for him. I just have to say I hope that you suffer the way he has made other people suffer. I just have to hope someone spreads lies about you the way he spread lies about Tina and her business. Let me know if this happens to you. I will have a laugh at your expense. Just a big game hey old boy? bit of a laugh?
Posted by Samuel, 02-06-2003, 09:39 AM
JOBL
Posted by MarkChen, 02-06-2003, 09:42 AM
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Aussie Bob Let me know when you're ready to move and I'll arrange a refund of your last payment -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So are you going to let us know? Do you offer all your customers a refund of their last payment when they leave or was this offer only made because the drama was being played out on WHT and you were already thinking that this customer was not going to leave anyway?
Posted by Darth, 02-06-2003, 09:51 AM
I smell fire!
Posted by Aussie Bob, 02-06-2003, 10:00 AM
Time to get some new material Mark. This is so old. I apologised because I did the wrong thing. It's water way under the bridge and I can hardly remember what it was all about. lol. You go too far you pathetic troll. At least have the courage and integrity to show me exactly where I have - "returned to the sexist references and hounded Tina out of WHT and out of alt.webhosting." I publicly challenge you to give substance to those allegations. It's one thing to make wild claims. It's another to provide sufficient evidence to backup your claims. I await your evidence with much anticipation. I still see Tina posting here and we don't have any interaction. I don't have any problems with Tina. She goes about her business, we go about ours. Now I just feel plain sorry for you. So much hatred, so pathetic.
Posted by Aussie Bob, 02-06-2003, 10:05 AM
I guess I'm still interacting with you in the hope that there is some form of civility left in you. I doubt it. I can feel your rage, jealousy and hate. I really pity you Mark. If anyone wants to leave our service, fine, that's ok. If they want a refund, they will get one. If you can show me 1 person that has asked for a refund and has been refused, then by all means, please enlighten us.
Posted by Samuel, 02-06-2003, 10:05 AM
yes, his comments truly hurt me drip drip
Posted by cactus, 02-06-2003, 12:03 PM
I am stepping on S_H_I_T in this thread which was supposd to have solved the thread starter's whining about the datacenters going down and blaming httpme's server(s) but it seems now it's getting out of control. Go on smearing each other. I am off.. trying to solving a problem where i can't retreive mails, all my clients don't have a problem but only ME ME..Oh WHy WHY!!
Posted by coight, 02-06-2003, 12:40 PM
Is this BS still ongoing? Time to close the thread.
Posted by Aussie Bob, 02-06-2003, 12:48 PM
It was a valid post by someone looking for advice on where to find an alternative supply for their business. Then the usual trolling and mud slinging has to start.....
Posted by coight, 02-06-2003, 12:59 PM
But you would think they would have quit by now
Posted by tazzy, 02-06-2003, 01:21 PM
Nothing like good old trolling. Now all we need is TIIIMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY "Mods, close the threads please" You think AussieBob uses DedicatedNOW Mr. ChickenSteak, show me their top quality servers which cost $300 per month? Oh you cannot Mr. ChickenSteak, go check Pwebtech Mr. Rabbit, you will find your blank ammo their. Firstly when you start an arguement its best to have FACTS not FICTIONAL statements. Your so called "Flaming" is not welcome on WHT. Therefor, shut the door on your way out please. Thankyou.
Posted by Aussie Bob, 02-06-2003, 01:37 PM
I would like nothing better, but I have to defend our name from the absolute trash that these 2 kids are dishing out. They cannot make unsubstantiated claims in public forums and then expect no official response.
Posted by coight, 02-06-2003, 01:52 PM
Bob, sue the brat for defamation Im sure his parents wouldn't mind
Posted by ChickenSteak, 02-06-2003, 04:23 PM
An opinion is never factual information. Pronunciation: &-'pin-y&n Function: noun 1 a : a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a certain matter Untill you can get my name straight, i'll call you Andrea ok? I own the domain name, dosen't mean I own the business. The domain was my original idea, I don't run the shop, and yes we're alive and kicking well paying the best to supply the best, much unlike it looks you are doing. I never said I was 100% correct, all I stated was my opinion. Bring on the official response, i've simply stated my opinion to the thread starter who asked what to do, and who can actually provide reliable services to go to. I'll be sure to counter-sue while we're already in court. I don't know if its just me or all these "Aussies" just have bad terms with me, at the point it stands now the U.S. needs to make a bomb stop a little further to the east and south a little bit and not only on IRAQ. enough said. Last edited by ChickenSteak; 02-06-2003 at 04:42 PM.
Posted by Andrew, 02-06-2003, 05:24 PM
Just for the record, Brandy, I'm not from Australia and I can't stand you either.
Posted by JWise, 02-06-2003, 05:49 PM
I love to read threads where kids say things and not have ONE link to back up anything. Then comes back and says what I said was an opinion. Good luck to all you businesses
Posted by JWise, 02-06-2003, 05:53 PM
If you don't run the shop, why would one of your clients say you did? Member Review: Quoted from your site You can't go wrong with these guys. Their network and hardware is rock solid and their support is excellent. Brandon is great....he's always been there when I've needed him and has gone above and beyond the duty of a dedicated server provider. Feel a little uneasy? Don't be! You won't regret your decision. You can't ask for anything better."
Posted by ChickenSteak, 02-06-2003, 06:12 PM
Lightin: I never said you were from austrailia, yet another assumption. JWise I help provide, dosen't mean I own the business. That in no way states i'm the owner.
Posted by Andrew, 02-06-2003, 06:14 PM
you're just an employee? Then RACKEASY is a sweatshop that employs kids who aren't old enough to legally work in the United States! Shame!!!! SHAME!!!
Posted by Choppy, 02-06-2003, 06:21 PM
Maybe because his brother Larry made the review... They should of saved it for there wedding. Its funny how comatosed you are.. seriously.. you sad thing! You think killing people is a solution. Im going to speak to your principal and make sure he takes all your lunch times and replace them with detentions. You have a lack of respect for others ChickenSteak you are a competitor i speak to your customers often you should tell them that we are not permited to touch your servers. Next time the clad of customers come on telling us to reboot, move there server to our racks etc i will post a new thread. Now go back to class maths is important! You will learn how to count all the pokomon cards you have. Regards to the locals, slaps for the trolls. Phillip
Posted by ChickenSteak, 02-06-2003, 06:22 PM
Andrea it's a family based business, and no i'm not employed for all that matters, I volunteer . Although we're not here to talk about what I do, and dont do. I believe this thread is aimed at the poor service the thread starter is recieving from httpme.com, is it not? Anyways the moral of the story is you get what you pay for, and to leave httpme before your customers leave you. have a great day everyone.
Posted by Choppy, 02-06-2003, 06:27 PM
LOL Sweatshop http://www.iemcee.com/tshirt.htm Notice second shirt Regards Phillip
Posted by mdrussell, 02-06-2003, 06:30 PM
Brandy, you seem to be digging yourself a deeper hole. That bombing Australia comment was downright laughable - shows your maturity, or rather, lack of it.
Posted by parawing742, 02-06-2003, 06:30 PM
Regardless, you ARE a compeitor because you are associated with another hosting company. Yes, you really want to get back to the original subject because your facts are starting to not line up.
Posted by ChickenSteak, 02-06-2003, 06:32 PM
For the last time, Larry isn't my brother. Also that is a real true testemonial. sure whatever you say... Killing people is a solution, it may not be the best but it still works, perhaps it's even needed over there in aussie land with each person caugh having 7 kids.. Sure talk to him. Are you sure you speak to our customers often? Now this is defamation, you stated a "supposive" fact, which isn't one, i'll pass this onto the owner, and he'll examine damages, i'm sure he'll have a laywer call you, and perhaps take further actions. As far as math class, and pokemon cards, again defamation. Since I can already imagine the damages already on your previous statement, I won't even be able to sue you - you wont have any $$ left. again have a nice day.
Posted by ChickenSteak, 02-06-2003, 06:39 PM
There isn't any hole in the first place. Your right about the downright laughable part, same thing iraq thinks of the u.s's threats, but when the heatwave helps there population, i'm sure they won't still be laughing. Working for a company dosen't make me a compeitor, if it did i'm sure there wouldn't be any support outsourcing company's in existants. Who said that I said facts? This thread isn't about me it's about the poor service bobby boy gives his customer(s).
Posted by ViAdcK, 02-06-2003, 06:44 PM
LOL @ Chickensteak.. You are so childish, you made my day with your funny comments Do yourself a favour and go back to school. And btw, get some respect, the bombing comments just made me sick.
Posted by ChickenSteak, 02-06-2003, 06:55 PM
Viadck: I'm glad it made your day . BTW who said I wasnt at school... assumptions, assumptions, assumptions... BTW the bombing part is just part of worthless trash much like they throw in defense for themselves. As that be way to many civilians. [joke]Dont let me become the president of the United States Of America.[/joke]
Posted by vox-fred, 02-06-2003, 06:57 PM
Just agree to disagree and forget about it. This soap opera is going on too long. Last edited by vox-fred; 02-06-2003 at 07:18 PM.
Posted by MarkChen, 02-06-2003, 07:14 PM
This is the reason I posted in this thread. It is very strange that nobody else finds it interesting. The guy is saying that everyone who leaves htptme gets their last month's payment refunded, as long as they ask for it. I have never heard of another host offering this.
Posted by Andrew, 02-06-2003, 07:20 PM
If someone's leaving your company because they are dissatisfied with the service, why would you not make such an offer? We all know you can't please everyone all the time and at the end of the day, if it prices you one month's hosting fees to have someone leave feeling just a bit better about you, it's worth it IMHO. Why does that seem so odd?
Posted by Choppy, 02-06-2003, 07:37 PM
ChickenSteak, You just finished saying that Tina from | Insert Name here | Could not do anything to Aussie Bob because he was in Australia, nooooowww you say that rack easy is going to come after me? eheheh. And who is going to prosecute me? Santa and his elves? Sometimes i wished i saved all my history from my AIM convos. Maybe it has been saved and i dont know about it anyone can help me there? You are so funny that im shacking in my boots : Any problem email : legal @ surrenderonline.com Phone +61 1300 764678 Cell +61403055859 Worthless trash you are talking about killing people you sick little boy! Cant wait for the law suite............. Im so excited Regards ChickenSteak Should be banned for being anti social
Posted by MarkChen, 02-06-2003, 07:38 PM
This is getting a bit confusing for me. Are you saying that when someone leaves your service, that they get their last month's hosting refunded? People normally leave a host because they are dissatisfied about something. Are you letting your customers decide to tell you that they are dissatisfied about something and then get their refund? Or are you saying that you will examine their request to see if is valid? When you put qualifications on it then it is no longer everyone leaving gets their last month's payment refunded now is it? In fact, it just becomes more hot air where there is some kind of vague offer but it is only paid if there are marketing advantages such as being played out in WHT.
Posted by Andrew, 02-06-2003, 08:06 PM
No, I'm not saying that at all. I wouldn't hestitate to give one, though, possibly without even being asked, if I really felt we should. That's not true. At least not from my experience. The most common reason I see people leaving is because they've either lost interest in what they are doing or have outgrown things. If someone were to REQUEST the refund, I'd most likely just grant it without question. Stop being deliberately obtuse. Nobody in this thread said anything about refunding everyone's last month's payment. You said that. Nobody else. Tell that one to the tourists, bud. This has nothing to do with marketing. I'm telling you how it is. That's all.
Posted by ChickenSteak, 02-06-2003, 08:23 PM
You've some serious issues - where did I say Tina couldn't sue Aussie Bob because he's in Austrailia.
Posted by parawing742, 02-06-2003, 08:41 PM
As far as I know, nobody ever leaves HTTPme so this shouldn't be that much of an issue for Bob!
Posted by IGobyTerry, 02-06-2003, 08:41 PM
It's not defamation because you initiated the contact with aussiebob. If, he had gone off and said something about Rackeasy, then it would be defamation. Also did you forget about how you said AussieBob's company provides a poor service without any factual basis on that? I think that could be considered defamation. EDIT: I also forgot how you called him NastyBob. I'm sure if you consider something about pokemon defamation than that could be considered defamation too. I'm sure Aussiebob could tack on a few more thousand too if he said it caused some added stress. Last edited by IGobyTerry; 02-06-2003 at 08:48 PM.
Posted by parawing742, 02-06-2003, 08:49 PM
Is that a problem if he wants to offer refunds? I've never heard of any other hosts that use vBulletin as their website either! HTTPme is allowed to run their business anyway they like!
Posted by MarkChen, 02-06-2003, 08:51 PM
What is this 'MOST LIKELY'? What is it with all these qualifications? Are you running a real business or not? Do you give a refund when someone leaves your company or not? It seems in fact that you are giving a refund for poor service but you are pretending that you are givng it when someone leaves your company. If someone outgrows your company then they are dissatisfied with the size of your company. They are dissatisfied with the service you provide. Is that hard for you to understand? So do you give them a refund when they leave your company or do you say that this is not a valid reason for a refund because you do not consider the size of your company a reason for dissatisfaction? Get your story straight before you post!
Posted by Chachi, 02-06-2003, 08:56 PM
Mark stop flaming. People that leave a company because they need more resources, more space etc leave heavy heartedly. Lightnin probably caters to a specific segment of the market, once his clients outgrow and need to move on from that segment they move on SATISFIED with the service they've received and hoping that their new host gives them the same level of satisfaction. You're arguing just for the sake of arguing, i've met hundreds of people like you and I loathe each and every single one of them.
Posted by MarkChen, 02-06-2003, 08:57 PM
Are you speaking on his behalf now? So he does give a refund of the last month's payment to everyone who leaves? There is no problem with it at all. Interesting strategy. I wonder if all his customers are aware of it. Try: http://www.ripplehost.com
Posted by MarkChen, 02-06-2003, 09:02 PM
fazel, stop trolling. Someone made an offer that they would refund the last month's payment if the customer was not happy. Are they running a real business? Is this offer real or not? Do you go to a shop that says that they will refund your money if you are not happy, then when you go for a refund they say that no you do not have a good enough reason to be unhappy? troll somewhere else fazel stop trying to bring webhosting into disrepute with vauge promises and guarantees that are always qualified when it comes time to collect.
Posted by Chachi, 02-06-2003, 09:04 PM
RippleHost were inspired by httpme, the post you just quoted was explaining httpme's innovative ideas, again what is the point of arguing about this? What exactly are you gaining? If you're as logical as you claim to be, then why indulge in something that won't benefit you?
Posted by Chachi, 02-06-2003, 09:08 PM
What is to you how AussieBob runs his business? That client is not related to you in any way. If he's being offered a refund and he wants to take it, then it's his personal business with httpme. You're the only one trolling as far as I'm concerned. This thread starter wanted alternatives to httpme because of their allegedly poor service. AussieBob offered a refund straightaway, whether this is normal policy or not, again why does it bother you?? That's the end of the matter as far as I'm concerned. Since you're not gaining anything out of this, then as far as you're concerned this should also be the end, however unless you have ulterior motives?
Posted by MarkChen, 02-06-2003, 09:09 PM
quote: Originally posted by parawing742 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've never heard of any other hosts that use vBulletin as their website either! [/B] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Seriously fazel, do you understand English? The guy said the above. What that means is that he has never heard of other hosts that use vBulletin as their website. I gave him a link to another. Now he has heard of other hosts that use vBulletin as their website. Stop trolling around looking for trouble.
Posted by Chachi, 02-06-2003, 09:12 PM
I understand English and I also understand psychology. That underlying message regarding that post was not whether or not there any other sites that used a forum software as their website. It was about the fact that httpme are "innovative" and different from the rest. That's the only point being made, and you decided to nitpick the statement. Everyone here realizes the message behind that post and it's plain obvious the only thing you're here for is a fight. Why you want to have that "fight" against httpme is beyond me. Is there anything we should know of?
Posted by Samuel, 02-06-2003, 09:12 PM
ahaha bob asked me "Sam, should I run a forum or not", yes bob, run a forum, its a great way to get interaction from your clients, they feel they belong so go for it. Mark, you're boring man... haha seriously. I actually yawned twice reading your ****.
Posted by ThePrimeHost, 02-06-2003, 09:12 PM
You know with threads such as this one, it is no wonder that other forums refer to WHT as a "Snake Pit or a "Shark Tank". http://www.sitepointforums.com/showt...threadid=83854 This thread should be closed already. Its completely negative and has become completely "pride based". Just my 2 cents.
Posted by MarkChen, 02-06-2003, 09:16 PM
You are descending into absurdity. The guy posted what he posted. I gave him an example that showed that there was something he was not aware of. Now you claim that you can use psychology to understand what the guy was "really" saying and what my reply "really" meant. what a troll!
Posted by Chachi, 02-06-2003, 09:18 PM
I just took the time to click on the "search" button on your bar. It looks like you've got a long running animosity with AussieBob, in fact nearly every single one of your posts is about how bad httpme is. Can you explain why you're obsessed with that company? I think it's "absurd" to have such an unhealthy obsession, wouldn't you say?
Posted by MarkChen, 02-06-2003, 09:19 PM
You must have been yawning too hard to put me on your ignore list, as I can see you can't stay away from this thread.
Posted by MarkChen, 02-06-2003, 09:22 PM
Are you trying to escape from the consequences of your ignorant and absurd trolling by moving the discussion away from you and towards httpme? I have been posting about you fazel, not httpme. Httpme can deal with his issues himself, can you deal with the ones you create?
Posted by Andrew, 02-06-2003, 09:24 PM
LOL what qualifications? What the hell are you talking about? Are you actually trying to say that every time someone leaves a hosting company it's under the exact same circumstances? Where's the logic in that kind of an assumption? I have given refunds in the past and I will in the future. Only to you my feathered friend. Only to you. What the hell kind if idiocy is that? That's up there with the dumbest statements I've seen on this board. LOL...besides demonstrating the long term affects of drug use during pregnancy, what purpose does this idiotic bunch of loaded questions serve? Better run along now, it's creamed spinach night. You gotta take your meds first though.
Posted by Chachi, 02-06-2003, 09:27 PM
When exactly has the discussion been about me? You started attacking httpme on the stupidest of issues, your past shows that nearly every single one of your posts is about httpme.com. So I want to know why you're so obsessed with AussieBob which is what this thread is about, not me! Now starting to post about me and taking the thread off-topic is what a troll would do, are you trying to tar me with a brush you've stained your ownself with?
Posted by MarkChen, 02-06-2003, 09:28 PM
The guy is running a business and he doesn't realise that 'most likely' is a qualification.
Posted by Chachi, 02-06-2003, 09:29 PM

Posted by MarkChen, 02-06-2003, 09:32 PM
It's been about you since you started trolling and telling us that we should not rely on what people actually post to understand what they mean, we should wait until you give a psychological interpretation of their post so we really know what they are saying.
Posted by Chachi, 02-06-2003, 09:34 PM
Why is it you keep dodging my question? What has httpme done to you that you've developed this unhealthy obsession with them?
Posted by Andrew, 02-06-2003, 09:34 PM
Well, enough about everyone else, Mark. How about you? Why don't you explain some of your problems a bit more? Why don't you pull up some of these threads where Bob drove away Tina or Tina wanted to sue Bob. While you're at it, I'm sure we'd all like to know the name of your hosting company.
Posted by MarkChen, 02-06-2003, 09:40 PM
I regret bringing Tina into it. Her personal and business reputation suffered greatly through the work of 'good old nasty bob'. I am sure she has moved on from there. As for wanting to know the name of my hosting company, are you another 'nasty bob'? Do you think with his history that anyone who dared question him would want him to know their personal details?
Posted by Chachi, 02-06-2003, 09:46 PM
then I'm sure you can PM us the details, that way the big bad scary bob won't get them! Makes perfect sense to me unless oyou happen to be one of his direct competitors, in which case you have a perfect alibi. Either way you'll be banned from WHT by the time Chicken see's this, so enjoy your last few...
Posted by Andrew, 02-06-2003, 09:53 PM
AGAIN: PLEASE PROVIDE PROOF OF YOUR CLAIMS MARK. If not proof, a clear explanation of what transpired from your point of view.
Posted by ThePrimeHost, 02-06-2003, 10:05 PM
No Joke. I think you are Chickensteak.
Posted by MarkChen, 02-06-2003, 10:08 PM
Why don't you ask bob? He has already said how he apologised for something ... why don't you ask him what he apologised for?
Posted by Chachi, 02-06-2003, 10:13 PM
No Joke? It has to be a joke. Chickensteak (Brandon/Larron, whoever he is) was on earlier siding with Mark... do I back Chickensteak's view point? I think not... Besides I have over a 1000+ posts. If I was ChickenSteak, it's a pretty elaborate way of trying to fool everyone don't you think?
Posted by MarkChen, 02-06-2003, 10:14 PM
Wow fazel are you trying to use your psychology on me? PM the details to 'us' and nobody will find out? Is that how you deal with your customers as well? Why would Chicken ban me from WHT? Chicken can ask me to stop this line of posting but I don't think I have done anything worth being banned. Nasty Bob does not own this forum. Do people get banned for quesioning Nasty Bob?
Posted by ThePrimeHost, 02-06-2003, 10:20 PM
I was not saying that you were Chickensteak. I would think that is obvious. I was agreeing with your comment on Mark's unhealthy obsession with httpme. It is most likely that Mark is Chickensteak. He is adamant about trashing "nasty bob" and httpme and chances are they are one in the same. I'm sure that "they" will both disagree, however.
Posted by MarkChen, 02-06-2003, 10:20 PM
Was he siding with me? I didn't read all of his posts so I don't know what he was on about but he has nothing to do with me. Anyway I am off to bed kiddies. That should give you some time to think of something decent to post instead of this constant stream of dribble. Especially you fazel, you need to take some time with your posts, maybe prepare them in Word first and get your mother to check them before you expose them to public gaze. (I shouldn't judge what a person has said by the words they use I should ask for your psychological interpretation. LOL that was a good one faz!)
Posted by Chachi, 02-06-2003, 10:22 PM
You said that you were simply SCARED of letting AussieBob find out your details. That's your reason for not telling us your details. The way I see it now, you're paranoid now that I'm going to take your details and forward them to Bob, you keep avoiding my questions and boy do you have an unhealthy obsession with every httpme post you can lay your hands on. You have the cheek to say I'm divulging into absurdity when you're making a fine case of your own mental state. I mean a simple look at your previous posts shows that you've gone to great limits to "stalk" Bob... that's not what a normal sane person does. Regarding Chicken banning you, it's frankly your opinion you haven't done any to deserve a ban, however you've broken the rule regarding respecting other members, with your constant flaming. The case couldn't be any clearer.
Posted by adland, 02-06-2003, 10:22 PM
To summarize for anyone who has skipped to the end. This thread was supposedly about httpme, but what we learned was not to trust ChickenSteak, who is apparently a minor associated with RackEasy. We also learned that MarkChen is argumentative and has an axe to grind with httpme, so whatever he says should be taken with a grain of salt. Carry on...
Posted by vlamin, 02-06-2003, 10:24 PM
Oh my God!
Posted by homeiss, 02-06-2003, 10:40 PM
No people are banned for making stupid posts (like flaming people), and I'm sure many other reasons...ask Chicken, he'll tell you. As for you always saying Fazel is trolling and looking for trouble, well you seem to be carrying this "fight" on just as much as anyone else. Why don't you just tell us what you have against Bob instead of avoiding the question? Or maybe the question is why do we keep asking you to answer it, cause we know you won't...
Posted by ChickenSteak, 02-06-2003, 10:57 PM
I didn't post anymore since the 7th page or so, and now its at 11th so here I'm: Jesus do all of you good ole bobby boys have bad memory? I didn't initiate the contact with Bob - he attacked me for advising a customer who is clearly recieving poor service, and stated that, which isn't in no way something to be considered defamation. BTW Please point out WHERE I called Aussie Bob Nasty Bob. He did go off and say something about Rack Easy, I came in this thread Rack Easy free - he braught them up not me. I do believe this thread is about httpme and the thread starter recieving poor service is it not? I'm glad you noted *think* else you'd be involved in a nasty lawsuit as well, i'm not playing around with all these people who think they can bulldog others around and then let there friends come and back them up. As if you stated that in fact terms, you'd be 100% wrong, I'm in no way mark. You better believe it - the whole system is corrupted.
Posted by Chachi, 02-06-2003, 11:09 PM
ChickenSteak, isn't it your bedtime yet? Stop whining. httpme have a clean record on this forum and you haven't. Just like Mark you've had past run ins with Bob and now you're looking to take the chance to rub his company name into the mud. The only thing you succeeded in doing is show yourself up to be an immature brat who should be on a school playground, not running his mouth off against reputable companies which unlike his own have a happy client base for the most part. All I have to do is search for your name and I can see all the stunts you and your brother have played. I can't say the same for Bob, so I think it's time you let this thread rest. You don't have a leg to stand on...
Posted by ChickenSteak, 02-06-2003, 11:12 PM
Fazel the past is not the current, nor the future. There isn't one supposive "scam" that you can hook to being an "actual" scam. This dosen't matter, we all start at some place to get our face rubbed in the mud dont we? Well the customer isn't happy, and clearly stated he's recieving poor service from httpme.com so he is leaving. I just gave my opinion, and have been attacked . Looks like its more of your turn to step down, and sit down before you fall down.
Posted by Chachi, 02-06-2003, 11:23 PM
Poor service? "i am currently with httpme but thinking of jumping the ship" His exact words. He was THINKING of jumping ship. The downtime is not the fault of httpme, however Bob was prompt to give him a refund. He wanted choices, as to what host to go with. Others suggested some reputable host, Bob himself suggested the names of a competitor. However you and the troll of a partner you have in Mark decided to interfere in a matter that was none of your business and began to criticise httpme' as being a poor service provider. It's very suspicious you should do this when everyone knows the history between you and Bob. On a final note, I'd like to know why nobody mentioned the company you work for. Perhaps because you're not in the same bracket as httpme and the other quality hosts mentioned in this thread? If you're talking about customers receiving poor service, don't you have a few skeletons in your closet?? http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...t&pagenumber=1 ^^ This still makes me laugh!!
Posted by ChickenSteak, 02-06-2003, 11:39 PM
A lie isn't a scam - i've learned and moved on that is simply a whimpering whining baby. As you can see from his recent post's ill bring up.
Posted by Chachi, 02-06-2003, 11:44 PM
I'm sure only you can understand what you've just said.
Posted by JWise, 02-06-2003, 11:44 PM
The testimonial actually doesn't give any good info that'll lead me on.. Just the support and how much he loves Brandon... Someone who doesn't own the site but volunteers To me sounds more like an ad... Something you'll see a company saying on a forum or in a commercial. Just my thought
Posted by fantasmic0, 02-06-2003, 11:51 PM
I'm going to be making a new movie soon ... It'll be starring Chickensteak & MarkChen , and I will call it : The Natural Born Trolls
Posted by JohnCrowley, 02-07-2003, 12:21 AM
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, looks like a duck... The orignal poster had his question answered, Bob responded to his concerns and offered a refund, the company does a great job supporting clients, end of story. - John C.
Posted by Aussie Bob, 02-07-2003, 08:39 AM
eliasbalt - I am truly sorry for the downtime that your clients have received. It is not acceptable, we accept full responsibility and you have every right to look for an alternate supply. I would suggest Voxtreme.com. They are a great host and a good bunch of chaps too. If you need any assistance in moving your domains accross to their server, then we will provide assistance. Let me know when you are ready to leave and I will refund your last payment. ChickenSteak - There's really no words to that I could say that describe your pathetic mud slinging and general crap in this and other threads. You have indeed earned your poor reputation on this forum. MarkChen - I would appreciate it, if you please provide evidence that supports your statement - "....he returned to the sexist references and hounded Tina out of WHT and out of alt.webhosting." Generally speaking, if one makes a statement like that in a public forum, usually you have the guts to back it up with proof. If you cannot provide exacting evidence, some folks might consider that pretty lame and pathetic. If you want to take a few swings at me, fine, I don't mind. I have thick skin. But at least have the guts to backup statements with factual evidence.
Posted by fstudios, 02-07-2003, 03:04 PM
insert your own words...*
Posted by universal2001, 02-07-2003, 03:46 PM
voxtreme? they are in the same DC as HTTPMe.. was that suppose to be a joke AussieBob?
Posted by inverus, 02-07-2003, 09:29 PM
Reading this thread made for a very fun 15 minutes. This thread should be immortalized as the epitome of trollage. Yet another story about Brandon's "high quality servers" I had a reseller account with him at a server in colo4dalls. Firstly, it seemed to be mostly Yipes bandwidth (nothing wrong with that, but it was advertised as otherwise). Secondly, apache overloaded the server every other day (~70 load on a single cpu machine), usually segfaulting and dying. Thirdly, one day the server disappeared -- I called up affordablecolo [the company he colocat(es|ed) with] and they said the server had been packed up; they were waiting for someone to drop by and pick it up. No notification, no nothing. I'm with AussieBob's httpme now -- and having a great time
Posted by Aussie Bob, 02-07-2003, 09:41 PM
Ahhhh no. Although we have servers very close to eachother in NAC Vox have servers elsewhere too and not just NAC.
Posted by Tina J, 02-09-2003, 12:39 AM
Yes, you apologized. I accepted it. However, it felt like you were doing an "oh $ hit" backpeddle job. I'm glad you can hardly remember what it was all about. The amount of hurt you caused me was significant. Some things should just be off limits to talk about. I have gotten a much tougher skin since then though - realizing that some people can say some really mean things and its all part of 'the biz'. I guess I should thank you for that. --Tina
Posted by Samuel, 02-09-2003, 12:41 AM
The only thing worse than being talked about, is not being talked about. Before that I didn't know a thing about "AffordableHost.com" Now I do, so the saying holds true no matter what. For what it's worth.
Posted by Tina J, 02-09-2003, 12:45 AM
It was a conversation between several MCHost resellers, in their reseller forum. Two hosts, in certain, were saying extremely unkind (and untrue) things about me and my business. As soon as they realized that I would probably find out what they said (I believe it was "We should be careful, Tina has her cronies everywhere.")....one of the hosts deleted his side of the conversation...and Bob, knowing that I had the entire conversation saved to my HD, apologized all over the place. Again, I accept Bob's apology. I just question his motives for both the posts at MCHost and the apology. At the time, we didn't handle high bandwidth users - so I was sending them all Bob's way...and he knew this. To this day, I'm not sure if the apology was real, if he didn't want to lose the referrals I was sending to him or if he just didn't want to get sued for libel. --Tina
Posted by Aussie Bob, 02-09-2003, 01:31 AM
Hardly. I made 1 apology and that was that. Where is "all over the place"?? The apology was real, although I really have no clue what the conversation in that forum was all about. And no, I was not worried about being sued or losing "referrals". I was referring people to AffordableHost too. Let's not forget that. It all happened so long ago and MarkChen is trying to drag it all back up in his pathetic attempt at trolling. I think this thread is the 3rd time he's bought this issue up. I'm still waiting on him to clarify some cowardly and untrue statements he has made in this thread - He's gone quiet on that one all of a sudden. As i said - I have no contact or issues with Tina, nor do I want any form of contact.
Posted by Tina J, 02-09-2003, 02:08 AM
all over the place' is a figure of speech. It means you apologized profusely...not literally in a bunch of different places. You were not referring people to me - and that doesn't even make logical sense. You host both low-end and high-end users. At that time, we didn't deal with high-end users - hence me sending them your way. Since you don't remember what you said, it was negative comments about myself, my business practices, my marriage (or, rather, the number of times I had been married?) and my family...and it was said in MCHost's private reseller forum. Hence, you never really thought 'outside' people would find out. Surprise, I have friends and customers who had MCHost services. But, whatever Bob. PS: This is the last I'll say in this thread. Everyone please stop emailing me asking me about this incident. I think the information here is sufficient and I'm sure Bob (and myself) would just as soon let this thread die. --Tina
Posted by Samuel, 02-09-2003, 02:11 AM
OMG Tina, you've been married more than once! NO WAY! What about our children!
Posted by Aussie Bob, 02-09-2003, 02:20 AM
Tina - Just for clarification. lightnin's question that you responded partly to above, was a 2 part question. Let us examine lightnin's question in detail - Part 1 - "Why don't you pull up some of these threads where Bob drove away Tina...." This was a claim made by MarkChen - "....he returned to the sexist references and hounded Tina out of WHT and out of alt.webhosting." We are still waiting for MarkChen to post evidence that will support his claim. However, the evidence will not be forthcoming because MarkChen was posting pure garbage and lies. Anonymous trolls are known to display such attributes. Part 2 - "....or Tina wanted to sue Bob." lightnin is asking for proof for both questions and not just the answer that you provided in regards to Part 2.
Posted by Aussie Bob, 02-09-2003, 02:27 AM
I apologised once and that was it. Thanks for your clarification though. Not true Tina. Many many times when folks asked for a host at AWWW, I would suggest they checkout AffordableHost.com. Also I sent folks your way when you were doing those $25/yr plans. I would have folks ask for such plans and we didn't offer them for that price, so they were told to check out your plans that were more priced to their budget. It doesn't worry me in the least.
Posted by Aussie Bob, 02-09-2003, 02:33 AM
Also let's not forget that it was a discussion with several [5 or 6 from memory] people involved. Trying to hang all that on me, is incorrect. Yes, we made negative comments about you. That happens from time to time in forums.
Posted by Tina J, 02-09-2003, 02:35 AM
Only two - you and another were initiating negative comments. The rest were from onlookers saying things like "I never knew she was like that...". --Tina
Posted by Aussie Bob, 02-09-2003, 02:37 AM
I seem to remember there being more than 2. Not that it matters. And God forbid there be any "negative comments" in any forum. Last edited by Aussie Bob; 02-09-2003 at 02:52 AM.
Posted by Samuel, 02-09-2003, 02:42 AM
But I love you tina! The kids, they are crying and the bills! omg!
Posted by Tina J, 02-09-2003, 02:46 AM
I looked at the forum pages, saved on my HD, not more than 10 mins ago. Only you and one other were ripping me to shreds. My self-esteem, at the time, made me take your comments alot harder than I should have....and like I said, it has given me a much tougher soul now. I'm also more careful about who I trust online (as everyone should be). I guess the question that has always remained in my mind is....why? The things said were very hurtful. As far as I knew there was absolutely no problem between you and I, so what was your motivation, exactly??? --Tina
Posted by Tina J, 02-09-2003, 02:48 AM

Posted by Samuel, 02-09-2003, 02:49 AM
I WANT A DIVORCE!
Posted by Aussie Bob, 02-09-2003, 03:01 AM
Yes, I have those pages too. I have screenshots, the lot. "Ripping me to shreds" is an overreaction, if there ever was one. Listen - if you want to sue me for "negative comments", then just do it. I am more than happy to go down this path with you. I did consult legal advice previously and have no problems with this course of action by yourself. Please Tina, this victim routine is not you. I'm not buying it and you shouldn't even be trying to sell it. You were disliked by many for good reasons. If you're not aware of those reasons, then that's not my problem.
Posted by Aussie Bob, 02-09-2003, 03:53 AM
You're entitled to an opinion, but you're not aware of all the facts and the context with which the events transpired. Reading Tina's post here and doing some searches, hardly gives you the complete picture nor does this qualify you to make broad statements like above. Also remember that those events took place over 12mths ago and there's been a lot of water under the bridge since then. Yes, I made mistakes in the past and still make mistakes now. We all do. I always correct my mistakes and move on. I did issue Tina a public apology and an apology via email. To claim that we don't act in a professional and humane manner, based upon what you "know", is worrysome indeed and not "ACCURATE", like you claim. But like I said, you're entitled to an opinion, and you can post "negative comments" like that in a public forum. I don't mind at all. Life goes on. Please don't take this as a negative post or anything. It is not intended as such. I am just concerned that you post "negative comments" without knowing all the full facts and the full context with which those events transpired.
Posted by Akash, 02-09-2003, 04:53 AM
Wow...that was a lot of fun... Read every post in this thread and it only took me 36 minutes. Here's what I've gathered: The thread starter has not had his/her question answered. Directed to eliasbalt: My recommendations for reseller hosts would be Voxtreme.com and venturesonline.com. Also, would you mind posting an update answering the following? - Have you left httpme.com? - If yes, where did you choose to go? - If no, have you had anymore downtime? ............................... I'm wondering why this thread exists??? I would have closed it a long time ago because of all the rudeness and whatnot going on here. Bob, I suggest you just let this thread go now; Mark/Brandon seem to be determined to degrade your reputation. Trying to 'clarify' anything will just spur it even more (if that's even possible) And Tina wants to put the whole of her situation in the past.
Posted by Aussie Bob, 02-09-2003, 06:26 AM
Yep. It's a no win situation for me. But I will not let false statements by anonymous MarkChen go unchecked. Yet she entered into this thread....?
Posted by Cloudster, 02-09-2003, 06:42 AM
Wow, only read the last page, and I want some pop corn
Posted by vox-fred, 02-09-2003, 10:08 AM
Very close indeed
Posted by Aussie Bob, 02-09-2003, 10:38 AM
Within inches....
Posted by Rochen, 02-09-2003, 10:55 AM
No offence, but are the mods just ignoring all these requests I keep sending in every 2nd post in this thread? Why the heck is this thread still going? It should have been locked by page 2!
Posted by FHDave, 02-09-2003, 11:14 AM
i'm lost since page 3 ...
Posted by Tina J, 02-09-2003, 12:38 PM
On one hand, you were polite and nice to me in private email (the Bob that I see most often in usenet and public forums)...and on the other you were posting some really nasty things on MCHost's private forums...where you thought I would never see them. No, its not a "victim routine"...its me never having to have dealt with someone stabbing me in the back before. You could have told me, in email, that you "disliked" me...rather than accept the referrals I was sending your way and acting like you were my "friend" in email. You say that I am disliked by many. I would like for you to at least tell me why you feel that way? I have ALWAYS gone out of my way to help the competitor (there really are no competitors)...you included. PS: How telling is it that you sent me an email about an hour ago that said you wanted to wipe the slate clean...........and then I come here and see you back to your old tricks. Bob, you do a REALLY nice job of pretending to be a really good guy. I fell for it for a long time and I almost fell for it again, with your latest email to me. --Tina
Posted by Rochen, 02-09-2003, 12:43 PM
I hope this thread gets locked soon. Last edited by Rochen; 02-09-2003 at 01:16 PM.
Posted by Aussie Bob, 02-09-2003, 01:12 PM
I thought we could hammer these issues out through email. You obviously want to discuss them, otherwise you wouldn't have entered this thread. I thought it proper that they be discussed in private and not on this forum. Yes, I want to wipe the slate clean and get issues between us out in the open, so they can be resolved. No, I'm not looking to be your friend. I was hoping we could just air these emotions that are bubbling up to the surface, through email and not in this forum. I was genuine and honest. I also responded to your last post here before I sent you that private email. Yes, I think you're playing the victim card here. You were not the only one that was hurt. Just for clarification - I made that last post above with which you were referring to at 05:01 PM my time. I sent you an email at 5:24 PM my time. The email was sent after the post was made and not "sent me an email about an hour ago". Please note the screenshot from my email app - http://httpme.com/images/email_times.gif Please note the screenshot from the above post time - http://httpme.com/images/post_time.gif Last edited by Aussie Bob; 02-09-2003 at 01:37 PM.
Posted by ChickenSteak, 02-09-2003, 01:37 PM
Tina - Bob puts on a show, and I can see how he would backstabb you. He has a bunch of little wht friends that run around defending him. This obvisouly shows who Aussie Bob really is, and it's not pretty.
Posted by JWise, 02-09-2003, 01:46 PM
13 Pages... And the discussion now has nothing to do with the guy saying im leaving httpme. It started when a guy called a service Low Quality.. A guy who didn't like the company and that started up the whole thing. I would just let this go. I think its crazy to keep it going.
Posted by abhinav, 02-09-2003, 01:50 PM
hahaha wow...I am seeing my 1st thread of WHT and it's been very welcoming till now haha
Posted by Aussie Bob, 02-09-2003, 01:52 PM
Always a pleasure to see your intelligent and discerning posts, Brandon.
Posted by ChickenSteak, 02-09-2003, 01:55 PM
Indeed . Oh and you got my name right finally yaaaa.
Posted by homeiss, 02-09-2003, 02:41 PM
Why can't we all just be friends? But really, where are the mods here? This is just getting annoying, the "fight" is going around in circles.
Posted by ThePrimeHost, 02-09-2003, 02:42 PM
cant we all just get along?
Posted by homeiss, 02-09-2003, 03:06 PM
No, I don't think so...
Posted by ThePrimeHost, 02-09-2003, 05:15 PM
Evidently not.