Unlimited Reseller Accounts, Good or Bad?

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Posted by hoostkiss, 02-18-2004, 12:37 PM
A Web Host can offer unlimited reseller accounts. I think that people misinturpit it. A Host does not have to put a limit on your account. So you can use as much of the resource as you need. But you will be limited to the resources of that Data Center, server or that account. In most cases the real Unlimited web host will add more resources to their account or server, or get another account or server. I have a few servers and I have done it both ways. Most people that get a limited account don't even use all of the resources that are limited. So if you sell enough unlimited accounts to pay for your server and make a profit, it is time to get another server and do it again. I put money aside for each server to be upgraded or enhanced. So don't be fooled into thinking that you can't find one. But know what it really is. If you're new to hosting, you'll soon find out that there are some people who are doing something to their site everyday. And they have a lot of traffic aswell. And then there are those who put up a page or two and the site set like that for about a year, with very little traffic if any at all. So why limit it. Your clients may jump off your server for package with more space or more traffic. If you manage your server right you can be effective at offering unlimited hosting.
Posted by denisdekat, 02-18-2004, 12:41 PM
It all depends on the admins I would say. That is, wether they overload boxes with customers without room for growth I would say and such... We avoid selling reseller accounts with unlimited domains as it tends to attract abusers. It does not sell as well as unlimited, but it works well for us and we prefer it
Posted by ExtremeIS, 02-18-2004, 12:49 PM
I would have to say that "unlimited" is a huge marketing scam and that very few (if any) hosts could actually deliver if that is the basis for their business (to offer unlimited everything plans). I see it everyday where hosts either grossly oversell their services or offer unlimited bandwidth and space. Customers who don't know better are fooled into believing this is "great", while 90%+ of those customers will never even come close to using any significant resources those who do end up using resources normally seem to feel the pinch put on by their host or face account termination for actually using what they allegedly paid for. In my honest opinion any host that offers "unlimited" space or bandwidth packages is simply a notch below others in my book.
Posted by XiaoKao, 02-18-2004, 01:26 PM
so.... anyone know a "real" unlimited host that acutally "upgrade or enhance" their server when hardware limitations are maxed?
Posted by Reseller-Center, 02-18-2004, 01:53 PM
All I can say is... read their TOS/AUP Twice
Posted by ExtremeIS, 02-18-2004, 03:08 PM
Very few (if any) will ever do this and here is why: With unlimited everything plans all you have to do is have one account that maxxes out the box and the host will lose money. The idea of shared hosting is to "share" box resources, not allow one client to use up everything and be done with it. No reasonable host offers unlimited bandwidth or space because for one it simply does not exist. Any host that tells you that if you use up the "unlimited" supply on one server they will just add another is lying, especially if your paying $9.95/month. **It is correct that you should always comb through the AUP/TOS with a fine grit sandpaper but this really does you no good when in the middle of the night the "unlimited" host flys away.** Moral to the story: If someone is selling you "unlimited" anything don't expect to ever get what you think you are paying for because it simply will not happen. Maybe at first it will seem great, even "to good to be true" but after a couple hundred other clients get put on the same box you'll see a huge decrease in what you actually can use at any given time.
Posted by hoostkiss, 02-19-2004, 10:19 AM
I have hosted unlimited accounts for two years now with no problems. I think that some host just like to limited their accounts. It's like a few years ago when the big phone companies said that a smaller phone company couldn't offer unlimited local and long distance. They said it's impossible! But look now, there are more and more companies popping up offering that very same thing that the big phone companies said they couldn't. Funny side note to all of that is that the big phone companies are now trying to offer it. Now remember they had such good explanations about how it can't be done, so how are they doing it now? I would be careful now days if a host offered me a limited account. That means that if I reach my limit, I gonna have to pay him more, and I sure he'll love that. Only Web Host that would overload a box is one who doesn't plan on staying in business long. You can overload a box with limited accounts, so I wouldn't put a lot of faith in that excuse. Web host face it, it's a new day and our clients want more. If you manage your business right, you'll catch your abusers early enough to stop any harm to your box. Oh and might I add Web Hosts, if you were a client, rather you admit it or not, you would want to have an unlimited account. If your data center offered unlimited everything on your box, you wounldn't jump on it? Remember you can say anything you want, but what you would do can only be known when the opportunity is presented! And a closing though, if your business grows, you're going to have to enhance and upgrade your servers anyway. To add a drive is really not a pocket breaker, nor is adding memory. And over time you're going to have to upgrade anyway. I got a new server setup for unlimited Domain resellers accounts. At a very nice price. Go to: hostkiss .biz to check it out.
Posted by XiaoKao, 02-20-2004, 01:07 AM
hoostkiss.. your "client support area" dosnt work . Also, where is your TOS. In your INFO, it says "think of yourself in this business as a virtual hotel owner with virtually unlimited rooms to rent..." Define virtually?, is that suggesting that you are overselling?, and in the PHYSICAL REAL world that this will not happen? Also, how many servers do you currently have?, a reverse ip check says "Web server hosts 4 websites " , hopefully you DO host more then 4 sites?
Posted by XiaoKao, 02-20-2004, 01:09 AM
oo.. i forgot, hosting for 2 years and STILL on paypal?
Posted by iWebSpeed, 02-20-2004, 02:06 AM
hoostkiss... why not out in a signature so we can visit your site easyer...
Posted by XiaoKao, 02-20-2004, 02:12 AM
heyy iwebspeed.. i have to say the "SpeedServers" R logo really looks like "Speed-The Ride" from Las Vegas. xP
Posted by thedavid, 02-20-2004, 03:28 AM
Since nobody's responded to this point-by-point yet, figure I may as well.... Your domain isn't 2 years old. What was your previous one? It's a different industry. Different physical realities. Remember when 9-11 happened, and everyone tried to call the NY area? Circuit busy. Nuff said. So since you offer them, you could host, say, google or yahoo without any issues at your $29.95/month? How about me? I have about 120 gigs of 'important documents' that I'd like to store and be available on the web. Expected transfer is going to be about 800 gigs/month, sometimes a little more. Would you host me? Why or why not? I have an idea - how about you give me the first month free, and we'll give it a go? If everything works out, I'll pay you back for the month, and purchase a second month - seriously. If we make it past the first month, I'll post here telling everyone how wrong I was. Indeed. But it's a lot easier to overload a box with unlimited disk space and bandwidth. Nope. Know how many times I've been asked for unlimited disk space and bandwidth? 0. And what do you define as an 'abuser'? You have no TOS, so it's really impossible to abuse your services. No, actually I wouldn't. Because I know that 'unlimited everything' doesn't exist, and don't want to bet the business on companies offering such pie-in-the-sky plans. And you're kinda arguing against yourself here.. You know unlimited boxes don't exist, yet you offer plans on those limited boxes that offer unlimited disk space and bandwidth? Um. Sure, when they invent unlimited hard drives and internet connections, I'll get back to you. Which is exactly why you should PM me with the account login details. After all, you wouldn't mind me using some of that unlimited disk space for my important documents, would ya? And this, I believe, is why you posted this. You thought maybe people would be fooled into going to your site and signing up for an unlimited account after that convincing argument. I'm waiting for your PM of the account details...
Posted by hoostkiss, 02-20-2004, 03:39 AM
It's a new server, that means a Host like Me must know what I'm doing. Unlike some host who limit their account. What are you really telling your clients, don't hope for more, all I have is this one box and that's it. Sounds like some of you are not planning to ever enhance or upgrade your servers. Why wouldn't I use paypal, it doesn't cost much. Plus there are about a million other people using it, like most of my clients Ok guys I've heard your remarks, but you have proved nothing. Hey if your hosting service is better than mine, what are you guys worried about. Surely you guys aren't attacking me for the fun of it. Are you? Will let me ask you this, what have I done wrong? Oh you can't access the client area because your not a client. The pop up window asking you for your user name and password should have been a big clue Come on man you was smart enough to check how many domains I had for this server, but not smart enough to understand that? Hum? Listen, you guys host the way you want to host, and I'll do the same. I won't continue to exchange words in a negative fashion like this. I've been in the business 2 years now. I've seen host come and go. 2 years might not be a long time, but it is longer than a lot of web host have lasted. I could offer limited plans, I just don't choose to. I really think that you guys have taken the wrong additude toward my way of hosting. I have tried both ways, and I like this way. My clients are happy and so am I. And my paypal account(s). You guys might try it one day. But let's face it, it's all business. You see it on T.V. everyday, this product is better than that one. This one last longer. I still can't tell yu which one is better salelite T.V. or cable. But let both of them tell it , they're beter than the other. The only a prospect will know if a service will work for them is to try it. Don't let someone who is going to offer you less, tell you that you should try to get more. Just doesn't sound right do it?
Posted by thedavid, 02-20-2004, 03:56 AM
Um, not really. I could go and order a dozen servers from any DC - they'd all be online, but it doesn't necessarily mean I know what I'm doing, does it? What do you mean? Just got done with some upgrades, actually. Nor have you. I'm still waiting for my account details Me, I'm not worried at all Nope, just want to make it clear that there's no such thing as unlimited disk space and bandwidth. On your .biz site you have a link at the bottom for a client area. That link is http://client.hostkiss.com/. That doesn't exist: http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnstim...iss.com&type=A What was your older domain? Your current one is less than a year old. Anyway, you don't seem to want to reply to my questions, so I'll leave it at that. This'll be my last post in the thread unless you address the issues.
Posted by XiaoKao, 02-20-2004, 04:02 AM
Is it only me or does Client Support Area (http://client.hostkiss.com/) not have a ?? -Andrew
Posted by hoostkiss, 02-20-2004, 04:19 AM
First, check your link again, I don't think you have the right one posted. Second, how do you honestly belief that you are going to prove that I can't offer my clients an unlimited account, when I have and have been doing so for two years now. Listen pal I got domains that are five years old. This proves what? I'm really curious to why some made a bigger deal out of it than others. Simply sad unlimited is not limited. Limited is limited. Simply volcabulary. Good night all and good luck with your businesses. I hope at least some of you would wish me the same.
Posted by XiaoKao, 02-20-2004, 04:28 AM
Both HostKiss.biz / Hostkiss.com have the same addy (po box 919.....). And same designed payment page, so I feel safe to assume that it's owned by the same person. On the AUP-TOS of hostkiss.com (which ALSO offers unlimited blah blah), it says "You are prohibited from excessive consumption of resources, including CPU time, memory, disk space and session time" What happen to unlimited there? Also, why do you have to lie and change "fix" the client support area and say that I was wrong? I even asked a friend to check out that link before I posted to make sure it wasn't just my computer. *Are you going to edit the TOS now?* well.. go ahead, that won't do any good, because Google already has it cashed http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache...hl=en&ie=UTF-8 Last edited by XiaoKao; 02-20-2004 at 04:36 AM.
Posted by thedavid, 02-20-2004, 04:34 AM
Ah, you responded to one of the points I brought up - so here's my continued response... No, you just changed the link, which I had previously copy-pasted. Actually, I think you're doing that quite effectively. You could prove to me and the rest of the folks who might see this by taking up my offer - but you aren't. Well, it's hard to sell hosting without having a website yourself. You've had both of the domains you've posted for less than a year. I was just curious what your other, older domains were that you have been selling unlimited hosting on. It's not - I'm just responding to the points you've posted. That's all. Right, those are the dictionary definitions of the word. However, unlimited hosting, in concept, does not exist. If you didn't want these points discussed, why did you post them? I'm not flaming, just discussing the points you brought up.
Posted by hoostkiss, 02-20-2004, 04:48 AM
Ok for the last time, what is your point. What did you not read the first post the very first part?? Or do you guys omit that to try and make it seem like you have proved something. Let me refresh your memory: A Web Host can offer unlimited reseller accounts. I think that people misinturpit it. A Host does not have to put a limit on your account. So you can use as much of the resource as you need. But you will be limited to the resources of that Data Center, server or that account. You put a chain on a dog, he can only go as for as the chain will let him. You don't put a chain on the dog he can run around the whole yard. (Freely) But of course he is still in the yard so he is limited to the yard but not in the yard. But if you would have paid attention to the first post you would have know thats what I was stating."I think that people misinturpit it" But you showed me with my two domains and a p.o box address. Only a couple hundred thousand businesses use p.o. boxes. Sorry to take your joy again, but you efforts was it vain. I think you have helped me more than hurt me because I got emails requesting more info about my plans. Wow thanks guys! But hey, you go get'em tiggers!
Posted by XiaoKao, 02-20-2004, 04:56 AM
It is really shocking that have the SAME PO BOX NUMBER, in the SAME STATE and CITY, and also registered with the SAME EMAIL ADDRESS Why not have everyone take a look? https://www.secureserver.net/whois.a...n=HOSTKISS.com https://www.secureserver.net/whois.a...n=HOSTKISS.BIZ That was only to say that the 2 sites were owned by the same person/company, and that the Unlimited offer on hostkiss.com is misleading (as proved by the AUS-TOS)
Posted by hoostkiss, 02-20-2004, 05:01 AM
You know I got a few more. Why don't you dig them up and look at them? Sure you would like to share them with everyone too! Once again, .... your point is? Ok man this is old! I'm out!!! Peace!
Posted by thedavid, 02-20-2004, 05:02 AM
I'm responding to the points that you're writing. That's it, really. If you don't want people to respond, why are you posting them? Nope, I was working when that was posted. I'm not now. The original points were already talked about. But since you insist... Which, by definition, means that it's not 'unlimited'. You state yourself that it's limited to the 'Data Center, server, or that account'. Hence, limited. I read this three times, and it didn't make sense. Let me re-write it for you in a clearer way. 'You put a chain on a dog, and tell the dog that he's not on a chain.' That's a better explanation of 'unlimited disk space/bandwidth' hosting. Oh, I read all of it. But I started replying, quoting your posts a little bit later, because I was working (as I said). And you just proved another one of my points - you posted this whole thing so you could get your domain out there, correct? I'll repeat again - if you don't want people responding to what you're saying, perhaps you shouldn't be posting it.
Posted by XiaoKao, 02-20-2004, 05:10 AM
Since you claim that you got emails.. for those of you who sent emails.. or is not understanding this, let me clarify something for you: THIS GUY IS NOT OFFERING UNLIMITED WEB HOSTING .. though he may claim he is (webster.com, Unlimited: 1 : lacking any controls : UNRESTRICTED 2 : BOUNDLESS, INFINITE 3 : not bounded by exceptions : UNDEFINED) What he is doing (in ex) is selling space on an airplane at $10 each person. At first, you will have lots of space, but as more and more people take this deal, your space will become less and less, until it is so full that you can't even move (kind of like when you over load a server, and it becomes EXTREMELY slow.) In the end, it will have so many people that when the door opens, people will be "poped" out (thats when the server crashes like crazy and everyone is screwed) Last edited by XiaoKao; 02-20-2004 at 05:15 AM.
Posted by hoostkiss, 02-20-2004, 05:17 AM
Would that make you feel like you have won? Surely you can't think that you have proved anything here when you won't even read the whole post before you respond. You guys are a lot of fun. But once again your point is? You can change anything around, and state it anyway you want to. But it doesn't change the fact that you never had a point to prove, so how can you prove your point. Really the rest of this mess is blah, blah, blah! I heard this before. "Gee guys look here's domains with the same address. See guys that proves my point!" "Come on look for your self" Hey pal that's really funny. Cause really you point is? Oh joy no point proved this time either. What a shame! Like I said before this is old man. Peace!!!
Posted by thedavid, 02-20-2004, 05:29 AM
Again, I have read the entire post. But if you don't want people responding to what you're saying, why are you posting it to a discussion board? I believe I made it multiple times now. Unlimited disk space and bandwidth doesn't exist, no matter how you pretty it up. Ergo, you're selling services that do not exist. Perhaps you missed it. Let me restate for you - there is no such thing as unlimited disk space or bandwidth. I've just simply been responding to your posts. I don't think the pobox thing is really relevent either, but that's the reason I haven't commented on it. What might be more relevent would be the servers/datacenter/hosts that you use, so people can get a feel for your real prices. Haven't gone there yet though, since you haven't posted about how much you spend/are willing to spend trying to provide unlimited space and bandwidth. I'll restate my point one final time, since you missed it - there is no such thing as unlimited space and bandwidth, and by selling it you're trying to sell something to customers that doesn't exist.
Posted by hoostkiss, 02-20-2004, 05:36 AM
Really that sound kind of dumb, or more like bashing rather than stating any facts. I didn't tell people that you overload your server with people. Really I don't care enough to check. But really if I am stuffing everyone on one server, why buy a new server. Why buy the one before that one and so on. You sound silly man. You really sound like a hater. If you like putting stringson your clients and treating them like puppets hey thats you. But if I want to give my clients unlimited service, why bash me. I mean you are so jealious that you have go to my site and prode it in hopes that you can find something wrong with it. Hey why don't you ask your clients. Give them my domains like you did everyone else on this site. If your service is so good, they won't leave. If my service is a fraud, put your money where you mouth is. Well I'm going to turn in now. I need some sleep.
Posted by thedavid, 02-20-2004, 05:49 AM
I'm quoting you exactly. What do you mean, bashing or not stating facts? Do you have proof? Or is this supposed to be a threat for discussing this with you in a forum? I didn't ask about you buying another server - I asked where you were selling your hosting from 2 years ago. Both of your domains didn't exist. I just was curious, is all. I'm not bashing you, and this is not about my service/clients. It's about the topic you started "Unlimited Reseller Accounts, Good or Bad?". Where do you see the bashing? I'm just saying, that unlimited disk space and bandwidth doesn't exist. Heck, your title of this thread "Unlimited Reseller Accounts, Good or Bad?" makes me think you want to discuss it. Didn't you mean to discuss this when you wrote that? Not jealous at all. Just discussing. Isn't that the point? From earlier: You told us to go to your site. I don't really think I'd waste their time with this, sorry. I know why you posted your domain up there - you do too. I didn't say your service was a fraud - I said you're selling something that doesn't exist. Goodnight
Posted by ToOnZ - SGWHT.com, 02-20-2004, 07:23 AM
Oh well buddy your making all of us laugh, please stop "And your point is ?" Your gonna be as popular as William hung soon
Posted by ExtremeIS, 02-20-2004, 09:07 AM
She Bangs-She Bangs, Oh Baby and she Moves, She Moves.... Gotta love that guy. As for "hoostkiss" I wish you good luck in your business. But I've really gotta ask you... you're point is?
Posted by Reseller-Center, 02-20-2004, 09:30 AM
Lets get an account there, between the few of us and set up anonymous ftp for everyone here, so we can share our pics, etc... What ya think ? Or we could use his for off-network storage as I really would like to get my backups off my 2 backup servers as they are at about 2.7 TB now... Would this be O.K. ? HK ?
Posted by hoostkiss, 02-20-2004, 10:11 AM
The first part of my post, read it: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ A Web Host can offer unlimited reseller accounts. I think that people misinturpit it. A Host does not have to put a limit on your account. So you can use as much of the resource as you need. But you will be limited to the resources of that Data Center, server or that account. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Now Cpanel seems to believe otherwise about unlimited accounts. So do Plesk. If there is no unlimited, why do they allow you to setup unlimited account. I can give my clients really unlimited, or unmetered everything. Most of you guys can to. I alway get the unlimited Domain license when I get Cpanel. I don't have to meter traffic. Nor do I need to limit it. I can alway get more if need. But since I get very large amounts of banwidth in the begining, I haven't had to buy additional. And of course drives can be added, memory etc. I have never had a problem or a complaint about a server. I have actually help a few of my clients get nice deals on servers of their own because the liked mine so much. You can offer unlimited accounts. I see that some people would like to bring to point the extreme, as if the server is going to be maxed out. Well I have never seen it happen. But the same thing could happen to your server with limited accounts. And might be more likely to happen on a server that limits accounts. I got a server where all of the accounts barely use close to half of the resources. So it's not rather or not I can offer unlimited reseller accounts, it comes to how well a server is managed. And last, you guys can say what can't be done, but really you can't prove it can't be done. So to sum it all up, it is only your oppinions that it can't be done. Now clearly if anyone read the past post, you can see that I was being bashed. You'd might have thought I called someone's mother a bad name. But I see that some people don't like to face facts. Or admitt what is obvious. Change it, sugar coat it, whatever. I'm touched, they even went through my site. Looked up my domain contact info, acused me of owning more than one domain, Wow. I didn't that I could not. Boy if you can see the love there, you're good. But someone said I wasn't being bashed. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing. But bashing is extreme. Well anyhow, good luck with your businesses. And maybe some other topics we might agree. Last edited by hoostkiss; 02-20-2004 at 10:16 AM.
Posted by denisdekat, 02-20-2004, 10:16 AM
why not give thedavid a challenge? Seems that this would be a good way to prove your point. Instead of more arguments leading nowhere, you should give him an account, then two months later, thedavid will come back and tell us all you were right or maybe not....
Posted by richy, 02-20-2004, 10:40 AM
ditto, ill take an account on a 30 day free trial and if i can use unlimited space and bandwidth then ill take the account for a year. Plus you need to seriously adjust your interpretation of unlimited, what your talking about, at best, is unmetered as its constrained by the technical limits of the server \ datacentre. If its unlimited why do you limit clients ability to use unlimited space and *shock* cancel accounts for using too much space? That doesnt exactly sound unlimited now does it? Would you care to specificially address that point or do you wish to ignore it like all the other times it was raised? Your business plan is a common ebay one, promise the world and cancel any accounts which use more then they in reality pay for. Id much rather have an account where I have fixed limits and since I know the upstream pay a fixed amount per mbps and per server Im happier being with a company that makes a proffit and wont cancel me because i use more then i pay for. My account is unlimited, in that i can upgrade as much as I want when I need to, but my useage is capped at what I pay for. I never have to worry about being cancelled for excessive anything as its a vds, I wont get told off for using more then I pay for because im billed for what i use. So answer some claims 1- if you have been in business 2 years what was your original domain \ trading name 2- exactly how much can i use, if i paid your 30? usd per month could i host a patch for a game , say 130mb in size? generates about 4000 GB of transfer a month? 3- Im a photographer, RAW images get quite large and I shoot nearly every day. Id love an offsite backup service, would you mind me uploading about 12 GB a week? Will you continue to upgrade the hard drive as it gets full? Answer these points , please dont ignore them as you have done previously. If you have nothing to hide why avoid answering them clearly.
Posted by ToOnZ - SGWHT.com, 02-20-2004, 01:22 PM
What i can do, is pay you a few bucks per month and backup all my server data on it Would it be legal to you ?
Posted by pookster, 02-22-2004, 10:26 PM
Can someone please close this thread? This is getting NUTS!!! Pookster
Posted by XiaoKao, 02-22-2004, 11:26 PM
what part of it is nuts?, lol
Posted by johonbravo, 02-22-2004, 11:37 PM
if I see unlimited space or bandwidth i dont buy...unlimited anything else is ok...
Posted by XiaoKao, 02-22-2004, 11:46 PM
Unlimited night/weekends are limited by battery life.. heh
Posted by hoostkiss, 02-29-2004, 10:04 PM
Ever been to an all you can eat buffet. I bet you felt as if you got your money worth. Now an all you can eat buffet have guidelines on the all you can eat. Well we're like an all you can host. And yes there are guidelines and restrictions. But just like the all you can eat buffet, you do get all that you can host. Now what if the all you can eat buffets had extremist saying what if some one comes and eat all of your food for the $10 they paid. But in real life. we know that doesn't happen. The host that give limited accounts are like the restaurants that offer a meal where all your food is servered at on time and that all you get unless you pay more. Our is like the all you can eat. Pay one flat price and use all that you want. All the extreme remark are far fitched and so unreal that the poster of this remarks don't believe them theirself. Band width to drive space is like food and pop to an all you can eat. It is really the base of the hosting business. Now there is nothing wrong with paying for limited hosting, just like there is nothing wrong with going into a restaurant and ordering a meal. Just the same there is nothing hokie about unlimited hosting, nor an all you can eat restaurant. It's really just a question of which you prefer. And it's up to you, not the other hosting companies to deside if this is right for you!
Posted by p[], 02-29-2004, 11:21 PM
An all you can eat buffet is a terrible analogy. They don't offer "All you can take home and store" buffets.. Anyway, just drop it hostkiss, this argument has been made a thousand times. No, you can't host unlimited disk space. You know it. They know it. They know you know it. And you know they know you know it. SO lets all just drop this little game we like to play so much. And admit you offer unlimited anything to attract customers, but you can't really back it up. In the future HostKiss, instead of making the argument that "YES I CAN OFFER UNLIMITED THIS AND THAT" Try something more along the lines of, "No, I can't. But I will do everything possible to, even possibly lose some money on one client, if it means a good standing with the rest of my clients, and the word of mouth surrounding my company. And if it does get so out of hand that I can't host the person, I will refund there money, apologize, and do everything I can to work with them on finding a new host." That argument might just sound a little bit more reasonable. But of course, that's just my opinion.
Posted by hoostkiss, 03-01-2004, 08:59 AM
In response to your post, let be prefectly clear, you don't have the foggiest of an idea of what I can offer. And everyone else don't know, and they know that I know that they don't know, just you know I that you don't realy know. So if we are done with the Honeymooners dialog, lets move on. All you can eat . . . . All you can host! (OR) Order a meal . . . . Order a hosting plan. Pay one flat price and eat all that you want . . . . . Pay one flat price, host all that you want. (OR) Choose some from the menu and oder it . . . . . choose a hosting plan and buy it. Face it. There are different way to dine just like there are different ways to host. Your the type that would like to say, All you can eat restaruants are a joke, I like to go where I can order a meal for the menu. But then there are those who can see the economic value of all you can eat buffet. You may not know how much you're going to eat, but at least you know you will have enough to eat. Just the same the same as buying an unlimited hosting plan. You may not know how much you're going to host but at least you know there will be enough for you. Now someone who is purposely trying to use up all of a server resources, is not a user but an abuser. Just like a person that comes into an all you can eat buffet and tries to hog all of the food to prove a point. Taking two and three plates and just dumping them in the trash. It is a waste senselessly. And the manager would no dout kick him out. Same here. But if a person is just eating a lot honestly the manager who just have more food added to accomodate everyone. Same here.
Posted by p[], 03-01-2004, 02:45 PM
Uh huh.
Posted by host1net, 03-02-2004, 04:23 PM
The difference between hosts that sell limited and hosts that sell "unlimited" is very simple: The unlimited don't tell their customers what the limit is. And when the customer does cross the line, he's an abuser! That's why you didn't give thedavid a trial account! Answer this simple question. It's yes or no. Would you say that thedavid use of the account, 120 GB space and 800 GB of data transfer exceeds that limit? Yes or no??? If it does, then what is the limit? And why do you hide it from your customers?
Posted by denisdekat, 03-02-2004, 04:35 PM
Buffets are not a good example I agree, you are comparing two completely different appetites, human, and business. A buffet understands that we eat as much as our stomachs can fill, so it is not unlimited eating (unless you count the japanese hot dog eating champion). There is no limit to the creation of data, there is to appetite. I say give thedavid and account and show us.
Posted by XiaoKao, 03-02-2004, 04:40 PM
If thedavid has no problems with his account, and recommends it; I'll be the first to sign up.
Posted by thedavid, 03-02-2004, 04:42 PM
Yeah, still waiting for that PM with the details. Don't think it'll ever come
Posted by hoostkiss, 03-02-2004, 04:59 PM
Yes you would need to be a client, and you will also need the correct url. The site is http://www.hostkiss.biz . HostKiss.com is mine aswell, but was you can see, it offers a different type of hosting, there is no client.hostkiss.com
Posted by hoostkiss, 03-02-2004, 05:16 PM
I am in the business like the rest of you. I do this to make money. If you're interested, sign-up and pay for it if you want to try it. If any of you really wanted to prove your points, that what you would have done. You all are the accuser. I don't have to prove anything to you guys. You made you claims, prove them legitimately. Believe it or not. It really doesn't bother me none what other host may think. We can make this topic 10 pages long with comments. But until someone steps up an trys it for themself, all you guys are doing is talking. No extremist now, real prospects. Let's face it, you really can't try a service if you're trying to abuse it. But the buck stops here! Step up and put your money where your mouth is. If you're not willing to do that, then why post unproven negative comments, you only make yourself look bad then!
Posted by thedavid, 03-02-2004, 05:23 PM
heh heh heh.. Read my offer on the first page. It wasn't going to be for free. Your unlimited lies are totally unconvincing, face it. The only reason you're here is to promote your unlimited hosting site, face it. You know that by putting your URL in the posts themselves you've ensured that it'll get crawled by google, and live on forever, right? Anyway, back to the original offer - lemme paraphrase for you: *PM me the account details and give me a month to try it out *If you last the month, I will pay you for that month + one more *If you last the month, I will make a public statement reccomending your company It's up to you. On the other hand, if you don't last the month, that'll be public too.
Posted by hoostkiss, 03-02-2004, 07:08 PM
You speak almost as if we had an agreement. Which we don't. If you want to try the service thedavid, you will have to pay like everyone else. I am a web host, not a charity that support pointless causes. Just pay the money thedavid. If the other web host have a point to prove, you can do the same, pay the money and get an account. But for the record, there will be no freebies! So if you won't put your money where your mouth is, why make negative post. You only make yourself look bad! Oh by the way, I think you guys may have posted my urls more than I have. Just a bunch of false accuser
Posted by thedavid, 03-02-2004, 07:12 PM
Nope, that was just my offer to you - to be paid for 2 months worth of charges for 1 month of actual service. Why don't I just pay you outright? You lie on your sales page - I don't trust that you wouldn't just take the money and run, never setting up the account. I also won't pay for what you can't provide. I suggest everyone else do the same.
Posted by hoostkiss, 03-02-2004, 07:27 PM
Why pay for two month when you only have to pay for one? You did say you are going to pay? You are only doing this to prove a point right? So if I run off with your money, your point would be proven. Not to mention that I am taking payment through paypal. So if I did run off, you could despute it with paypal. But I now understand you thedavid, you're all talk! Your last response is a weak exuse, or a cop-out. You can always pay me and prove your point. Nothing is stopping you from doing that.
Posted by hoostkiss, 03-02-2004, 07:32 PM
OK
Posted by thedavid, 03-02-2004, 07:52 PM
To give you more incentive to try to prove your point Indeed - but the point of this post isn't money - it's "Unlimited Reseller Accounts, Good or Bad?" as started by you. They're bad, because the host is lying. You've yet to show that you have an unlimited amount of disk and an unlimited internet connection. Dontcha see I'm trying to help you What could be better than to be proven right! I could, but again - the topic is your magical unlimited hard drives and internet connections - not paypal policies. No, you just refuse to prove that you have unlimited disk space and bandwidth. I'm giving you a lot of incentive - double your cash and free promotion as a user of your services on WHT. Heck, I'll even put you in my sig! But you won't do it, because you know that you can't. I don't see any unlimited plans in your upstream either - server or reseller wise (servertransporter.net). How can you offer it when your upstream limits you? And this is, and has been, the only real point that you wanted to make by posting here. A cheap excuse to plug yourself. Anyway, it's been amusing hoostkiss - I don't often speak with unlimited bandwidth and disk space hosts - I do commend you for sticking to this posting and not running.
Posted by centrahost, 03-02-2004, 08:14 PM
Well... I'll give you this... This thread aint near as long and involved as a good old NOC24 thread but it sure is funny. The entire idea of it. The fact that it exisits. The fact that thedavid is entertaining us with it. $$$$ It's priceless $$$$ As a matter of fact... It's Unlimited Humor!
Posted by hoostkiss, 03-02-2004, 08:39 PM
For the last time, I don't have to prove anything. You made the clain that I can't, so prove it. You can post everything about whatevery you find out. But you don't know who I am, nor what I can offer. If you would like an account, sign-up. I could even offer you a server when more becomes available. You have no idea I see. So let me just make a few things clear before we shake hands and walk off the seen. You and other have accused me, but have proven nothing. The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused. I really did not expect this topic to take this direction. I figured a few opinions, but never figured I would be bashed, call a lier unjustly, and called a fraud with out proof. These statements was not fair nor kind. The door was always open to those who would have liked to prove their point. But I will not give away free service for them to do so. I have tried to keep my remarks fair to the tone of the post, and I refuse to go digging through someone's business, especially if it does nothing to prove my point. What you say I can't offer is only your opinion. So until someone signs up and try it, no one should say what I can't do. But we can make this topic 10 to 20 pages, but with no proof, it's all talk. Instead of telling people not to sign-up, you should tell them to sign-up, and if mine doesn't pan out you'll pick them up as a client or refer them to another host. But you don't want to do that because they would never leave. Well that's my opinion anyway. I do like this forum, there are a lot of wise members. So thedavid, you have your opinion, and I have mine. It is ok to disagree. Maybe we will agree on some other topics. Last edited by hoostkiss; 03-02-2004 at 08:44 PM.
Posted by thedavid, 03-02-2004, 08:43 PM
Fair enough - I've made my points, you've made yours. We'll leave it to joe casual reader to make up their minds Good day sir, and again - thanks for sticking in there. Most would have just left.
Posted by centrahost, 03-02-2004, 08:52 PM
I beg to differ. Your at WHT. Your name is hoostkiss. You offer unlimited resources. ------------ You put up a good argument for a point that has no merit. My advice... Get out of hosting before you start and go to Law School, your better suited for it.