Meinwebserver HACKED, 5,000 Resellers gone down!!!

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Posted by dandandan, 03-15-2005, 12:16 PM
Meinwebsever was just hacked yesterday and every reseller account/hosting account was lost wich was like 5000 resellers
Posted by GIGANET, 03-15-2005, 12:28 PM
they hacked every server? how many servers did they have? 5000 resellers on 1 server?
Posted by ACcomunica, 03-15-2005, 12:37 PM
No backup? Shame on you Meinwebserver... Better luck next time!
Posted by UH-Matt, 03-15-2005, 12:37 PM
Are you sure the company had 5000 resellers? That would equate to a LOT of sites for a company I've personally never heard of. Whats the site?
Posted by Bruin03, 03-15-2005, 12:45 PM
It appears to be one of those "unlimited number of clients* resellers http://meinwebserver.com/ My apologies to anyone who lost their hard work.
Posted by Jim_UK, 03-15-2005, 12:49 PM
I've looked at this for less than a minute and already don't know where to start... - no backups at all, silly. - unlimited resources - 5k resellers on one server... yeah right - 5k reseller accounts sold in one month.... yeah right (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...hreadid=296312) - etc....
Posted by Maxo, 03-15-2005, 01:04 PM
Really sad to hear that. I have already seen a few Reseller Providers hacked and data deleted, is that only me? I do not want to sound rude, but it seems like everybody is trying to get extra profit, without even thinking about investing in security.
Posted by UH-Matt, 03-15-2005, 01:07 PM
Im fairly confident its a smalltime company, probably not even 100 clients. A lot of false claims in these posts and on their website. Oh well. Nothing to see here. Move along ------------->
Posted by Duport, 03-15-2005, 01:17 PM
How long have they been going. Where are their servers, what datacentre ?
Posted by dandandan, 03-15-2005, 02:01 PM
Theyve been going for a long time and they say they had over 200 servers ut the main one got hacked and everything was lost and they have servers in 2 datacenters theyre was also alot of hosting accounts also they had much more than 100 clients as they had thousands. for proof see their other website meinhosting.com it says at the side CUSTOMER(wrote wrong before but couldnt edit) no 5.000 signed up I think(its the same site just different servers I think) Also they do say on their ebay sales that they know recources are always limited and cant be unlimited but they will always upgrade Last edited by dandandan; 03-15-2005 at 02:09 PM.
Posted by UH-Matt, 03-15-2005, 02:03 PM
They did NOT have 200 servers. Why would a company with 200 servers, have ONE server hacked and decide its big enough to take down their entire site and ask all customers to signup again? 5000 signups for reseller plans in under 1 month? Oh well if their site said it... it must be true!
Posted by dandandan, 03-15-2005, 02:05 PM
whered you see it was in 1 month?? theyve been going for way longer than a year! Also theyre sending everyone who was registered to register on their other site meinhosting Soz it was 5000 customers not resellers I tried to edit but cant coz of time limit Last edited by dandandan; 03-15-2005 at 02:10 PM.
Posted by bithost(NET), 03-15-2005, 02:23 PM
Oh! Well that makes it okay then. Bailey
Posted by PTNHosting, 03-15-2005, 07:58 PM
Ya rigth, 5000.... I have 1.000.000
Posted by Shaw Networks, 03-15-2005, 08:14 PM
From the link below, they were probably hosting around 500 resellers (most resellers use their own nameservers). If each reseller hosted an average of 8 websites or so, they would be close to the 5000 mark. http://www.webhosting.info/webhosts/...NWEBSERVER.COM
Posted by BaselineAce, 03-15-2005, 08:35 PM
Maybe they called up ZoneServ..
Posted by Lumix, 03-15-2005, 08:45 PM
LOL
Posted by support@FHC, 03-15-2005, 09:15 PM
May be that's what cheap hosting company does. Putting away the raid software, got no backup and no firewall. Once they are hack, everything gone.
Posted by Joshua, 03-15-2005, 10:36 PM
The funny thing is, it doesn't take much effort or money to backup your server... and it saves a LOT of money and effort if something happens to the server.
Posted by support@FHC, 03-15-2005, 10:44 PM
Some company cut down their expenses to give customer a cheaper hosting. Their dont use backup and raid. This will cut down their expense for about 500 a year. And also share one T1 connection with 5-10 server. Thats bad
Posted by eebee1066, 03-20-2005, 08:21 AM
I had hoped I found a bargain when I fist started using this company after buying their offering thru ebay, but found that a cheap lunch repeats. I'm paying under $2/month for their service and their servers have been 'hacked' about 3 times so far, each time losing everything. I've been suspicious, kept my own backups so it's not been a problem. (I use them to play with Cpanel/hosting etc.) Only problem is that not long after the last one I started getting loads of spam. So... If you want cheap(ish) hosting, don't care whether you get spam and can afford to lose access to your domain, data, mail etc... and waste the time getting it all back then this is the company for you. Otherwise you may wish to consider other offerings.
Posted by bryonhost1, 03-20-2005, 09:11 AM
Hi! Ah! But just making backups is not good enough either...those backups need to be verified. Another good extra step is to have them stored off-site. I see some companies quietly outsourcing this. I don't think this is a good idea...it would raise privacy concerns about particular info in my book anyways. Bryon
Posted by porcupine, 03-20-2005, 02:56 PM
I'd question that. I got curious and tried our core domain (prioritycolo.com, and it shows theres been growth off that domains hosted clients (by 3 clients) over the past month, and we apparently host 130+ domains from it. We use a seperate domain for our resellers/shared accounts, and our main nameservers (when excluding IP related zones, for our RDNS, which certainly dont account for 100+ zones, etc.) host less then half a dozen sites, yet it reports well over 100. I tested our reseller domain also, which had very low stats (granted I dont know what it counts based on), it showed a roughly 15% increase over the past month (where I can tell you for particular, we would notice a net growth of 15% across the board on our reseller servers, as thats a massive chunk when you think about it), but figures that were roughly 1/15 the number of actual domains hosted (as noted, I have no idea what it bases the numbers on). Needless to say, I would definatly have to question any figures brought up by that utility (or most like it), as they're very very rarely anywhere near accurate.
Posted by camers, 03-20-2005, 07:21 PM
Lol, 18 domains i have it says. How exactly does it take this figure?? Because this was my reseller server and it has around 100+ domains..crazy. Back the topic, yup backups are a must. Should know what you get from a site that that
Posted by onthespot, 03-21-2005, 03:40 PM
Sounds like a company with a pretty good disaster recovery plan.
Posted by (Stephen), 03-21-2005, 05:12 PM
Maybe they have more than one server all using the same root password, and their backup server has the same passwords as well.
Posted by camers, 03-21-2005, 05:24 PM
Now thats just a great idea!
Posted by IMeanWebHosting, 03-22-2005, 09:19 AM
If I have a backup drive and keep regular backups, is that good enough? Or is raid a must? Just curious. Thanks!
Posted by FHDave, 03-22-2005, 09:25 AM
Neither is enought. RAID is not a backup solution, and backup drive is just not enough. How many times have you heard people here complaining that their backup drive got formatted by the DC techs, or the backup drive got fried (together with the main drive) for a power surge, etc? As a minimal requirement, you should have a backup server where all of the backups from other servers are put. Ideally this backup server should also be put offline.
Posted by support@FHC, 03-22-2005, 09:48 AM
Both of them is a must. RAID will keep your server up and running even though your primary disk fails. Coz, all the data is configured on two different HD. While whole server backups is useful when you get infected by virus or hacked. It can completely restore your data without any lost. You can do this easily, Bohica! Hire the institution whom you bought your dedicated server from.
Posted by IMeanWebHosting, 03-22-2005, 10:01 AM
I use Liquidweb and they provide a 50 GB offsite backup solution for free. I guess I will use that and get a raid system going. Would that be sufficient? If I had a raid AND used the offsite backup solution? Thanks!
Posted by support@FHC, 03-22-2005, 10:09 AM
If i were you, i would request another HD that is similar to the one you are using right now to backup your client's data. Try to contact your supplier and ask for server management. Ask them to do complete backups weekly.
Posted by IMeanWebHosting, 03-22-2005, 10:40 AM
Well, I have a 120 GB backup drive and have backups set to daily, but everyone acts as if that is not enough.
Posted by support@FHC, 03-22-2005, 10:46 AM
Besides disaster like hardware failure, power spike strikes on you, that will be enough. What is an alternative choice given by other people ? RAID and BACKUP managed by your HPS's pro is definetely enough
Posted by IMeanWebHosting, 03-22-2005, 10:56 AM
I just didn't know how much is too much. Didn't want to have raid, and a backup drive, AND an offsite backup if I didn't need it. Thanks!
Posted by support@FHC, 03-22-2005, 11:04 AM
It is better to spend 50-100 dollars more every month rather than losing your website's reputation.
Posted by frankiee, 03-22-2005, 11:36 AM
You need a remote backup as well.
Posted by Captian_Spike, 03-22-2005, 07:07 PM
Remote backups are needed to provide protection against hackers, local backups are for hardware failure. You could slightly cut prices by going with only a remote solution, but in the even of a hardware failure a local backup will get you back online in a more timely manner. The ideal solution should be tape backups, but for most that do not own a datacenter this is unavailable or to expensive.
Posted by Shaw Networks, 03-23-2005, 01:08 AM
Backups do take quite bit of, not necessarily human effort, but server resources. Processing backups on a weekly basis could mean that for a period of time, clients websites will load slower than normal. Definitely extra money is required for backups as well; purchasing another hard drive or off site server to place the backups on to.
Posted by datacenterdirectory, 03-23-2005, 01:24 AM
All I can say is LOL! Terrible thing! But they don't have 100 resellers so blah!
Posted by support@FHC, 03-23-2005, 01:46 AM
Backup is costly and time consuming. Can't imagine how much will they have to pay if they do remote backups. Mostly, 120Gg remote backup will cost around $140 / month.
Posted by camers, 03-23-2005, 02:26 AM
Thats why you buy a low end server with 2 x 200GB in it But im thinking im needing raid or so. Hmm, but its better then noting. Remote and local.
Posted by support@FHC, 03-23-2005, 02:37 AM
LOL ..... But make sure your server is trustworthy low end server usually dont have a good specs.
Posted by camers, 03-23-2005, 02:38 AM
AMD 2200+, 2TB, 2x 200Gb Drives,. its been good to me
Posted by IMeanWebHosting, 03-23-2005, 09:09 AM
OK I don't want to end up like these guys (except for having 5000 resellers, that would be nice ), so now I have the following as a backup solution... (2) 120GB hard drives on a RAID controller Another 120 GB hard drive for backups made daily An offsite server for copies of backups made weekly Might be a bit of an overkill, but at least my clients data is safe and that's all that matters. Thanks for all of your help guys!!
Posted by support@FHC, 03-23-2005, 12:25 PM
good job, Bohica