Universal Pipe Account??

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Posted by merconline, 08-17-2002, 02:38 PM
Hi, Any inputs on this, what is Universal Pipe Account? looks like lots advertising by simplewebhosting.com aka advantage.com aka schmolie.com, but confused by the bits and bytes there Any idea about this? and any feedback on the provider? Thanks
Posted by pgrote, 08-17-2002, 03:21 PM
I looked it over as I was confused at first as well. The constraining factor is speed. If you want more speed you have to pay for it. The unlimited disk space is interesting as well. They are the sole aribtrators of what constitutes a real web site. I am not sure what their creiteria has been, so I can't comment on whether it's succesful for the customers or not. Regardless of whether it's a good deal or not, it's a very interesting marketing hook. One of the freshest ideas right now in hosting.
Posted by mk123, 08-17-2002, 03:33 PM
ummm... looks nice... anyone else with the same ideas?/ offerings? any experiences?
Posted by merconline, 08-17-2002, 08:25 PM
no other comments from anyone? about Universal Pipe? PROS & CONS
Posted by Nedani, 08-18-2002, 09:43 AM
I wonder if I can host a download site. 3Gb of freeware and shareware.
Posted by Suffolk Designs, 08-18-2002, 10:01 AM
I wish I knew where to find these unlimited drives, I could sure use one in my home pc
Posted by mk123, 08-18-2002, 03:53 PM
Tony, too bad of ya... not thinking of putting it on our Stingray or baracudda server so that we can also get some unlimited btw according to recent reports ... unlimited drives cannot fit in home pc as they need unlimited cabinet(cpu box) for it and unlimited cabinet needs unlimited built up house space
Posted by Kurieuo, 08-19-2002, 12:35 AM
You might want to try Hilbert's Hotel for unlimited house space...
Posted by Rotifer, 08-19-2002, 02:13 PM
I think if any of you had paid attention to Pgrote's comment, and read our plan description, you would notice that we do not offer "unlimited" disk space. Our resellers are running a business and we accommodate their needs without making promises we can't keep.
Posted by pgrote, 08-19-2002, 03:58 PM
Jeff, An idea that may help people when they look at the information on the Universal Pipe might be to run through a couple of example scenarios. Sort like "Company A uses this .... and they use plan ...." It may put it into perspective so people can get the big picture. My thought is that people are confusing UNIVERSAL with UMLIMITED.
Posted by Rotifer, 08-19-2002, 04:02 PM
Thanks, I'll forward your suggestion. I would agree that our site, in general, is somewhat confusing.
Posted by tribby, 08-19-2002, 04:22 PM
The only thing that really confuses me about your site is what to call you! SimplyWebHosting.com? schmolie.com? Advantagecom networks? Aaah!
Posted by Rotifer, 08-19-2002, 04:29 PM
Call me Jeff! No, I know ... it's confusing - the name changes are explained in our forum if you are realy that curious.
Posted by fotzenkaiser, 08-29-2002, 09:04 PM
hi jeff... i run a subdomain-redirection service ( www.dr.ag ) and would like to host it with you. now due to the automated signup process i cannot control all the users contents. from time to time spammers abused my redirection and i had problems with my hosters. my questions is, in case some spammer or porn site is using a redirection with me and you get a (spamcop-)complaint, will you kick me or will you notify me and let me kill out the infringing user? i ask, because i had hosts which i couldn´t talk to -- they treated me like i was the spammer and killed my account. just want to make sure, cause i don´t want to lose time and money again... i need a host to trust who trusts me thanks for your time, HTHWY ---- hope to host with you Last edited by fotzenkaiser; 08-30-2002 at 07:14 AM.
Posted by zephyr, 08-30-2002, 06:30 AM
i 'm thinking signing at simplywebhost from the moment i saw that universal pipe account. I found it more logic to have a limit in kb/s than adding ur traffic bandwidth for a whole month which (in many hosts) is confusing cause some counts ftp and incoming traffic, others dont. Its like getting a modem or a line on the server and use it as u like. But i find it a bit more expensive than the usual plans based on bandw/month. If u have lots of big files or ftp or audio video files that visitors wanna load it's perfect. But if u have many small files in ur sites its a bit difficult to compare it to the usual plans. They claim that a byte is divided to 8 so u can calculate the traffic/month but in many small packets where u have info,headers/packet, packet loss, handshake etc, the traffic u calculate are not the real one but between 80%-95% depending on the packets size. if u wanna have a more real image u can think a packet byte as 9 or 10 bits so when u get a 32min/64max Upipe then u calculate about 40 kbit/s /10 (even that only 34 guaranteed) *3600(1 h)*18 h*30 (days) /1000000 (GB) = about 8 GB, a bit expensive for the price they ask. On the other hand if u r thinking of reselling u know ur resourses and make plans u can keep and even if one of ur accounts gets (i.e.) a chat or forum and takes all the bandwidth u find him and shut him down but ur account won't cause u ll have the pipe limit and the host doesnt care, correct me if i 'm wrong. Anyway i like the offer but i 'm still thinking of it.
Posted by zephyr, 08-30-2002, 06:49 AM
what i was calculating was the outgoing traffic now u have the double (or more) if u add incomin and outgoin traffic. And that was MY thoughts, dont missunderstand me
Posted by Rotifer, 08-30-2002, 12:23 PM
Fotzenkaiser - I'll take your request off board, maybe we can find a solution to your spam problem. Thanks for the interest. Last edited by Rotifer; 08-30-2002 at 01:13 PM.
Posted by DustinB, 08-30-2002, 02:14 PM
This post it to clear up a few of the things said by zephyr that won't apply with the way we have our network set up. I'll just write my modifications below the relevant statements. This is not something that we claim, but is a standard unit of measurment determined by ANSI. By ANSI definition, there are 8 bits in a byte. Our network uses a bandwidth monitoring device located towards the edge of our network. It purely monitors raw bandwidth comming into or out of our network who's destination or starting location is your site or sites. This has no dependencies on packet size, only bandwidth used. In essence, we do not calculate the traffic, it's monitored and recorded as actual bandwidth is being used. The way we are monitoring bandwidth does not count packets lost during the packet's travel across the internet, and handshakes involve so little actual transfer that, compared to the actual file being downloaded, they are virtually unoticeable. Saying that you should account for these things by adding an additional 1-2 k/bits to any file transfer isn't at all accurate. The data rate limited accounts are slightly more expensive than a usage based plan, but keep in mind that the data rate limited accounts allow for your minimum transfer speed to be used for both incomming and outgoing transfers. With a 32k pipe, you could use 32k incomming at the same time as using 32k outgoing. Every usage based (GB a month) plan I've seen counts both incomming and outgoing towards your final usage. In this light, cost of transfer isn't that much more expensive. Thanks Dustin
Posted by zephyr, 08-30-2002, 02:52 PM
ok dustinb, u made urself clear and i might take a chance to test it by myself picking such a plan. And as i wrote "that was my thoughts". As for being more expensive its true but giving a guaranteed minimum data rate limit prices, everyone can understand that . I got a 128kb/s direct connection to internet and a CIR 96Kb/s. So i payed more to have AT LEAST 96 whatever happens so U MUST have a price over than usual, i just dont know if everyone needs it and i havent test it. Anyway I liked the thread and hope i see more companies offering such plans (that might low the costs) C ya
Posted by zephyr, 08-30-2002, 02:55 PM
BTW i know a byte is 8 bits but i didnt said that, just wanted to show that from 40kbits/sec u dont get 5 KB but less. i think i ll work my english harder
Posted by Rotifer, 08-30-2002, 03:00 PM
You're English is far better than my Greek!
Posted by DustinB, 08-30-2002, 03:03 PM
Looking back at the last post I wrote, it kind of seems a bit "determined", sorry. That really wasn't my intention. The way we're running these plans is something that just hasn't been done before and I wanted to explain some of the techical "nitty gritty". Since your post was a post about technical details, it's just what I used for reference. Thanks Dustin
Posted by zephyr, 08-30-2002, 06:32 PM
ok, lets assume that david is right and i ll try 2 see things his way in my first thread i calculate for a rate of 40kb/s about 8G (was 7776MB) and was kinda arbitary. So, lets get the first plan again and try to compare it with a usual plan that other hosts offer. we have 32kb/s guaranteed we have 64 max and for calc reasons we also take the average 48 kb/s we also calc 18 h a day and 24 h a day see this 32kb/s / 8bits x 3600sec x 18h x 30d / 1000000 = 7.776 48kb/s / 8bits x 3600sec x 18h x 30d / 1000000 = 11.664 64kb/s / 8bits x 3600sec x 18h x 30d / 1000000 = 15.552 32kb/s / 8bits x 3600sec x 24h x 30d / 1000000 = 10.368 48kb/s / 8bits x 3600sec x 24h x 30d / 1000000 = 15.552 64kb/s / 8bits x 3600sec x 24h x 30d / 1000000 = 20.736 Notice the first result, same as mine in my first thread cause in that thread i assumed that speed would be in an average of 40kbps now u never get 20 G a month its a dream (except if u are alone on a server and in line for a month! or the other domains in the server have zero traffic for a month, LOL) what u have is 8-15 G a month (very close to 10-12 according to my humble opinion) remember that we calc outgoing traffic now get another host which offers 20G both in and out traffic a month and cost about the same lets say u use 5 G each month for site incoming traffic (too much but i always assume the worse as u see and as i ve done in previous thread for u) we have 15G per month outgoing 15G= 15000000KB / 30d / 24h / 3600sec * 8bits = about 46 kb/s 15G= 15000000KB / 30d / 18h / 3600sec * 8bits = about 62 kb/s what we have here is a surprise if u calc max traffic of a popular site which has hits always 24h a day u got 46kbps about the same as u had an average 24h/day speed of 48kb/s in a upipe But if u be more realistic and say that ur site has 18h a day traffic u have 62kbps with a convetional plan. with upipe and max speed 64 u get the same 15 GB traffic. But its the max speed and cant rely on it and if we take an average of 48kbps we have 11GB (worst case is 8 but assuming that wont happen we forget it). Any conclusions? as u see if u guarantee more than 50% of max speed, lets say about 2/3 of max speed, u d be more competitive. But now there s a dilemma. (my dilemma too) But as i declared i d pay a bit more as a reseller to have the guaranteed speed and make my own plans knowing the resources i have. Ending this love story, all the above are theory. Many factors reacts like server spec, lines, existing on same server domains and accounts and server use, files, hits, and toooooooo many other things. And anyway u cant compare apples with peaches cause u dont have the chance to have 2 same websites with the 2 plans and make same hits at same pages at same hours with similar servers and line traffic for a month and get safe conclusions. But i still insist that 's honest to pay for a guaranteed speed and know what u have. PHEWWWWWWWWWW i need a break and its 2 am here!!!!!!!!!! cheerssssss
Posted by advantagecom, 08-30-2002, 07:21 PM
Just a couple of points worth mentioning about why the plans were designed in the first place. The rate limited plans were originally designed so that resellers could 100% control their prices without concerning themselves with getting a huge bandwidth bill at the end of the month because someone put up a download mirror site on the reseller account. Granted, under the rate limited plan, the reseller would almost immediately notice if a download site were setup on his account because everything would get slow. But then the reseller can take what actions he deems necessary to correct the situation. The reseller could upgrade bandwidth, charge the download site for bandwidth usage, or kick the download site off their account. Another huge reason we designed the rate limited plan is because you can buy bandwidth that way for colocation or dedicated servers, but we'd never seen anyone offer it that way for resellers on a shared server. As almost an afterthought because of the huge demand for it, we introduced the GB/month plans that weren't rate limited. This seems to work almost as well if the reseller keeps close tabs on the data transfer statistics that the Plesk interface provides. But, if you're not careful, you could end up with extra bandwidth usage charges at the end of the month. Just as an aside, disk usage isn't a problem. We've got a 120GB drive in the system and we'll run out of other resources on the server long before we ever run out of hard drive space, but, of course, we'd start a new server before anything got slow or unstable. We're sitting at 12% hard drive space utilization right now on our current server that we add accounts to and we're just getting ready to setup another server. Some examples of what we consider to be valid web site content: 1. html, php, images, cgi 2. downloadable files like MP3's, freeware, shareware, etc. 3. databases used on your web site Some examples of what we don't consider to to be valid web site content: 1. a backup of your computer's hard drive 2. warez (also against our terms of service, of course) 3. a backup of another site or server (unless the files from the backup are individually accessible and used as a live site if your main site goes down) 4. porn, streaming or static (also against our terms of service) We're actively working on making our site more navigable and also attempting to make information easier to locate. We're reworking a site that's been put together over the course of 4 years and that's not a small undertaking.
Posted by zephyr, 08-30-2002, 08:03 PM
i agree and said it before, its a very good idea the Upipe offer. BEERS ON ME PPL cheers
Posted by advantagecom, 08-30-2002, 09:28 PM
Got any ideas on how we could make it better? We're always looking to obsolete our own services.
Posted by bewarestar, 06-15-2005, 09:51 AM
anything that has ANYTHING TO DO WITH SIMPLE WEB HOSTING BE CAREFUL! What a terrible service...anyone got anything GOOD to say about Simple Simon? no???? except maybe him and and his Alter egos? Obviously at the back of the queue when giving out manners! Customer Service-none Be warned...ok if you dont have any quieres/questions problems!!!! Bless! i'm just sorry i've wasted so much time and money on timewaster Simple Simon
Posted by advantagecom, 06-15-2005, 03:18 PM
Who is Simple Simon and what are you talking about? I run Advantagecom Networks, Inc. and one of our domains is simplywebhosting.com . There has never been anyone by the name of Simon that has worked at our company. FYI, you're resurrecting an almost 3 year old thread. I'm sure you have us confused with someone else. We run a respectable hosting company and have been selling hosting since 1998.
Posted by cheapo, 08-24-2005, 10:56 PM
I've had a U-Pipe account for about 4 years and the servers are super reliable with almost zero downtime.