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Posted by ed@kimkauffman, 01-20-2006, 04:46 PM
Greetings: I'm brand new to this forum. For a novice like me, all of you make this an invaluable resource. I spent most of yesterday and today researching reseller hosts. I had narrowed my list and started asking questions about policies allowing porno sites in their shared environments. Seems as if many are doing this now. My understanding was that this type of hosting environment was to be avoided because of the traffic generated and subsequent system resources these sites draw. I searched on this sight and didn't find a discussion of this issue. So . . . my question to all of you: Should I be concerned about being on a server with porno sites? Or has the technology changed such that this is no longer an issue? Any insights into this issue would be most helpful.
Posted by layer0, 01-20-2006, 05:34 PM
Well, not only do adult sites generate lots of traffic, but they are also prone to (D)DOS attacks, etc. which can cause the server to go down for extended periods of time. I wouldn't expect there to be any major issues for your case though. Many adult site webmasters will choose a company that specializes in adult hosting. Hope this helps,
Posted by EuroVPS, 01-20-2006, 06:29 PM
Hosting adult sites on shared hosting nearly destroyed our sleep patterns. Subsequently we do not host adult sites on shared hosting. It's not recommended that you do this unless it's absolutely neccessary. Some providers will say that there is no difference, etc etc, however speaking from a 10K+ domain shared hosting base I assure you that 1 bad apple on a shared IP can wreck your week. Adult on shared = bad HyIP sites anywhere = bad Those are lessons you have to learn on your own unfortunately, if you want to maintain as close to 100% uptime on your shared equipment, it's best to keep adult & other risque type sites off of your machinery. After what I have seen I wouldn't want to be on a server with porno sites, period. There is absolutely nothing anyone can say to me that would cause me to believe that it would be safe. The moment the same httpd binary serves both the adult sites, and my site about dog training, I am in bad shape. Last edited by EuroVPS; 01-20-2006 at 06:34 PM.
Posted by layer0, 01-20-2006, 06:32 PM
Yup, I agree 100% there.
Posted by ScottJ, 01-20-2006, 07:25 PM
HyIP sites anywhere = bad Perhaps the worst type of site you can host. I will never touch one again.
Posted by Shaw Networks, 01-20-2006, 07:30 PM
Very true, for this reason we have opted to not allow adult websites on our servers.
Posted by ed@kimkauffman, 01-20-2006, 07:50 PM
HyIP? Please explain. Googling I get High yield investment programs. Doesn't make sense to me.
Posted by EuroVPS, 01-20-2006, 07:57 PM
In not so many words, HyIP is a scam where the owner of the site, sets up shop and tells people to send him money, with promises of 500-800% return, but no guarantee that the money will actually be returned, or guarantee of anything for that matter. In 100% of the cases the money is lost, the 'investors' are scammed, and that's the end of that. The authorities prosecute these criminals on a daily basis, as what they are doing is totally illegal, preying on the foolish and most desperate people. Anyway we had one of these jokers on a shared server last year and it was a nightmare finding him as his domain wasn't hyip-ish, so it was literally impossible to spot it. HyIP is actually worst than porn in the hosting sense..
Posted by ed@kimkauffman, 01-20-2006, 08:10 PM
So when buying reseller services how would you be able to know if there were HyIP scams? What question would you ask the host?
Posted by ldcdc, 01-20-2006, 09:02 PM
Indeed, some providers say it makes no or little difference, and they're not small hosts either. Those are the aftermath and the conclusion. But what was it that happened exactly?
Posted by EuroVPS, 01-20-2006, 09:08 PM
There was an incident which lasted some time in July 2005 where some sites were being DDOS'd, on a shared cPanel server, and it was impossible to determine what sites were being DDOS'd as it was an extremely elusive & difficult to track DOS attack. Myself and most staff including Vasil were working over 24 hour shifts fighting the attacks with ISA 2004 & with the Cisco 535. In the end we found the domains but by then lot of damage had been already caused. The exact informations of what happened with the DOS I cannot divulge but it was the only reason we stopped hosting adult sites on shared hosting.
Posted by ldcdc, 01-20-2006, 10:15 PM
Thank you Igor for sharing the details. I guess that can serve as proof how important it is for you to provide reliable shared hosting.
Posted by kneadingu, 01-24-2006, 05:26 PM
This is not true. Sites prone to (D)DOS attacks are usually IRC, hacker, political etc. Adult sites are often hit with Password Traders and Proxy Attacks.
Posted by and1c, 01-26-2006, 04:16 PM
Mmm... I think I will go with EuroVPS/Igor...after all he does run a hosting company and hosts '000 s of domains... I think he wil have the most informed opinion on this subject except for other sizeable hosting companies with different experiences. and I can see how it could quite easily become a nightmare if one porn site or whatever on shared hostibng startedf getting DDOS'd... not worth it IMO for the small revenue they will bring the Host through shared hosting...vps or dedi ALL THE WAY
Posted by bluedreamer, 01-27-2006, 12:50 AM
If you want to do adult sites you are best going for a host who specialises in that area. Here's some names that spring to mind... http://www.exmasters.com/ownhosting.php http://www.webair.com/ http://www.cyberwurx.com/ http://www.ev1servers.net/ http://www.jupiterhosting.com/ http://www.oxeo.com/ http://www.phatservers.net/ http://www.realitychecknetwork.com/ http://www.xxxwebhosting.com/ Last edited by bluedreamer; 01-27-2006 at 12:55 AM.
Posted by webbist101, 01-27-2006, 12:55 AM
We were on a bustable unmetered line awhile back, and I was running a free hosting company that was steadily growing to over 2k users peaking at 3 million page views a month. Anyway, we got this user one time that was hotlinking porn on an account on our servers. The datacenter reported that we were sending out 300mb/sec of data. Wether that was true or not, I don't know, however it caused our servers to go down. When we removed the images, we didn't have any problems other than the apache logs filling up with 404 errors for the images. However, those went away after a couple days.
Posted by WebFoundation, 01-27-2006, 11:26 AM
We have several clients from WHT hosting adult oriented content without any problems what so ever. While they do use up most of their resources we have no problem with it because it's what they paid for. Most people who oversell web hosting don't want to offer adult hosting because those clients will most likely use all of their resources.
Posted by rgsuk, 02-06-2006, 02:53 AM
I have had adult hosting with ProTGP.com for two-and-a-half years and have never had any kind of attack, nor downtime, other than the occasional ten minutes for a server reboot, which is normal. In fact I would say their uptime is extraordinary. I also have an account on Sunwave.com -- their mainstream company -- and the same is true. On the other hand I have had hosting with four 'other' companies, all of which have ranged from being generally unreliable to a total disaster. I do think that companies that are not experienced at handling adult traffic are liable to be bad news if they try their hand at it. And when things go wrong it seems they are quick to blame adult sites. Attacks can happen on all kinds of sites for all kinds of reasons: political, kids, business rivals... Last edited by rgsuk; 02-06-2006 at 02:58 AM.